tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post5065438770252682700..comments2024-03-18T11:06:05.506-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: ART AND COMPUTERS: PROGRESS AND SORROWDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-10891442082960024262012-06-03T03:59:22.048-04:002012-06-03T03:59:22.048-04:00As to my personal perspective on computer art...
...As to my personal perspective on computer art... <br /><br />I'm doing a computer graphics course at the moment. It's either that or clean shit houses out. That's the choice they give you if you're old and unemployed in Australia. Anyway, back to computer graphics courses for 30 year veteran illustrators who are now obsolete, due to fucking computers... If I see one more anal vector doodle, produced by one more wide eyed 18 year old beginner, I'll puke blood and die. It's all shit, and when they see real illustration they become disorientated an start to kiddie babble, then the, so called, teachers become controle freaks and want to denigrate the old traditional art fucker ... Me. It's a good thing I like a good school room brawl.<br /><br />Never mind, it's better than cleaning shit houses out... I think! <br /><br />Art LoverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-77276739185150207002007-02-14T12:50:00.000-05:002007-02-14T12:50:00.000-05:00Your thoughts echo what I've been thinking ever si...Your thoughts echo what I've been thinking ever since I was in art college over a decade ago. Using the some of the earliest versions of photoshop and illustrator to create boring print design work to pay my way through college made me very aware of the impact digital tools would have.<BR/><BR/>It was partly because of this I never did really put in the proper effort into honing my illustration skills - that computers and software would evolve to the point where drawing by hand was obsolete.<BR/><BR/>Oddly enough however, I think I'm seeing more polished illustration today than I did in the early 90s. Maybe it's only because the web has enabled me to see more contemporary artists and students' work, but I don't think so. There seems to be a shift in attitude, towards learning how to draw using classical techniques. Old books like those by Loomis are floating around everywhere online, being sought out by teenagers eager to learn.<BR/><BR/>Maybe it's only a short term trend that I'm seeing. But good animation - 3D, holographic or otherwise - still takes an immense amount of work, and all the digital tools available haven't really changed things <I>that</I> much. Being able to create a beautiful image by hand in hours or less, and being able to see the artist's character in the lines, and appreciate how they are able to interpret objects with the media may be a skill that never becomes irrelevant or valueless.<BR/><BR/>Will it all be digital though? That I'm not sure about. At some future time will people stop wanting to buy original paintings or drawings? I have a hard time believing that.spacejackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14902182763527176185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-39667340540434468382007-02-13T08:18:00.000-05:002007-02-13T08:18:00.000-05:00Benjamin, I happen to be one of those like Michela...Benjamin, I happen to be one of those like Michelangelo, Van Gigh and countless others who agree with you that "drawing the line" is the starting point of everything. I think that will continue to be true for a while, although I don't give as much credit for virtual lines as I give for lines carved in reality, and I fear that before too long, even virtual lines will seem too limiting. They are after all, static and one dimensional.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-1768351098078847622007-02-13T08:13:00.000-05:002007-02-13T08:13:00.000-05:00Mick, I hope you're right. Let's meet here in a h...Mick, I hope you're right. Let's meet here in a hundred years and compare notes!<BR/><BR/>PS-- thanks for the kind words.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-46236561137886301712007-02-13T08:11:00.000-05:002007-02-13T08:11:00.000-05:00John and Jack, I agree that sentimentality will ke...John and Jack, I agree that sentimentality will keep traditional art forms alive for a while. Many people feel sentimental about newspapers and read them because they grew up with them, but I can't believe that a tradtional newspaper will exist 25 years from now. Ultimately, convenience, economics and compatibility with modern lifestyle triumphs over sentimentality. <BR/><BR/>Museums have great staying power, but as cities become less necessary as a tool of modern interaction (due to virtual commuting, etc.) and more vulnerable to unacceptable levels of terrorism, I think more people will opt for Bill Gates' solution: the artwork on the walls of his home consists of high res screens which show a rotating collection of digital images of French impressionist and other artwork.<BR/><BR/>But putting sentimentality aside, I think that people will no longer have eyes to see drawings and even paintings the way that we do now. Other media will shout for their attention and grab them by the lapels. Culture will train them for something very different. Faster, noisier,and multisensory.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-56162851451198780152007-02-12T22:09:00.000-05:002007-02-12T22:09:00.000-05:00John’s onto something. Take photography as another...John’s onto something. Take photography as another example. It has undergone incredible changes in the past decade alone. I have no idea if students are taught the fundamentals of developing negatives anymore (probably not color) but I wouldn’t doubt if many resent it (would they even know what a glass negative is?). It’s akin talking to someone younger than 40 about LPs; they laugh at your quaint affection with an antiquated medium. But having said that, it’s their loss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-45196827270034301672007-02-12T12:05:00.000-05:002007-02-12T12:05:00.000-05:00Hi, you mait bee on to something here, or maybe no...Hi, you mait bee on to something here, or maybe not. My wish is that the future generation at least can feel the smell of a pencil and paper. To at least hear the sound of a pncil scrathing the paper. Personally I still at age 41 soon 42 uses the pen and paper but the wacom pen and tablet as well.<BR/>Hope smell doesnt vanish from the artistic world, all though turpentine I can be without.<BR/><BR/>Best<BR/><BR/>Stefan Lindblad<BR/>artist & illustrator<BR/>www.stefanlindblad.com<BR/>http://stefanlindblad-blogspot.comStefan LIndbladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15638903475628141153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-66256605631736290172007-02-12T01:05:00.000-05:002007-02-12T01:05:00.000-05:00oh you know what this suddenly reminded me of? bac...oh you know what this suddenly reminded me of? back when i was doing the magazine i did paste up the old fashioned way until the day quark started doing drop caps. but i also had started getting sick every time i did pasteup. <BR/><BR/>all those photographic chemicals on the galleys, plus the wax and god knows what else--i can't really remember.<BR/><BR/>so the timing was perfect.<BR/><BR/>but boy, my typographer was really upset. she lost all her clients.lotusgreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04393867916489599891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-20337950761968436192007-02-11T20:39:00.000-05:002007-02-11T20:39:00.000-05:00I've heard it said that with computer technology, ...I've heard it said that with computer technology, people may be classed as either natives or immigrants; those for whom technology is fully integrated into every function in their lives, and those for whom it is an addative. Future generations will have decreasing sentimental ties to older media, just as the recent <A HREF="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5186113" REL="nofollow">demise</A> of the telegram when almost unnoticed. Papyrus gives way to vellum, vellum gives way to paper, and paper will give way to electronic signals. Do we miss paper? Sure. Do we miss vellum? No. Media pass away until we cease to care that they have passed away.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04854543617806427302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-18394460826729386552007-02-11T17:21:00.000-05:002007-02-11T17:21:00.000-05:00I don't believe the touch of a hand on a medium wi...I don't believe the touch of a hand on a medium will ever die. There is too much fascination with looking at the process (even across centuries) that only that can give. <BR/><BR/>Computer art will always have concept drawings, storyboards etc... I suspect there is a growing market for this work already.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and David... your blog is wonderful.Mickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17438100295851807962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-7991804933166896792007-02-11T16:28:00.000-05:002007-02-11T16:28:00.000-05:00Holy cow! Very few media really "die," except for ...Holy cow! Very few media really "die," except for typwriters and telegraphs, maybe. Even then, there are some stalwarts. Things change. Certainly poets are no longer the unacknowledged legislators of the world, but we have rap, which in 50 years, or so, will be as seasoned as blues. <BR/><BR/>No one's taking away my dip pens. I've got friends who bind books. I still enjoy the library, but am grateful I've got the internet for quick reference photos. Digital photography amazes me. <BR/><BR/>Certainly the monitors are cold and antiseptic, but I also don't miss the poisonous chemicals, and painting a mural having climbed scaffolding during a Canadian winter <BR/><BR/>My graphic artist friend's doing a mural, but his original drawing is about four inches high, and it will be blown up on onto self-sticking vinyl to cover a whole wall.<BR/><BR/>I still draw with pencils inside sketchbooks, and practice my figure drawing with the help of Andrew Loomis books, but am very happy with my graphics tablet allied with a laptop and scanner.Jack Ruttanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11202365155540203592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-51149076131350439092007-02-11T10:36:00.000-05:002007-02-11T10:36:00.000-05:00It's possible that regular drawing and painting as...It's possible that regular drawing and painting as an art might dissappear over the course of the next few centuries. Though it's much less likely that drawing and painting will go away as a whole. Even if all changes to holograms etc, there's still always this:<BR/><BR/>"The science of design, or of line-drawing, if you like to use this term, is the source and very essence of painting, sculpture, architecture..." <BR/><BR/>Even if they stop showing drawings and paintings in (modern) art museums, chances are high it'll still be used as a tool to observe and design. Even if it's on a computer...Benjamin De Schrijverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04113326323094548928noreply@blogger.com