tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post2067626697388579163..comments2024-03-28T22:57:07.128-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: ONE LOVELY DRAWING, part 44David Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79556207693568595062013-09-16T11:28:38.573-04:002013-09-16T11:28:38.573-04:00On the issue of visual inference: Here's a min...On the issue of visual inference: Here's a <a href="http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/imgsrv/image?id=mdp.39015016748132;seq=1257;width=680" rel="nofollow">minimalist</a> composition which, it seems to me, really pushes the envelope. (1921 Saturday Evening Post ad.)<br />kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-33277808801699240522013-09-16T10:00:07.027-04:002013-09-16T10:00:07.027-04:00>Balinese Monkey Chant from Baraka
Yes, indeed...>Balinese Monkey Chant from Baraka<br /><br />Yes, indeed. Great stuff.<br /><br />If you're into atonal rounds like that, I'd suggest you check out "Zs" and their 2010 album "New Slaves", if you haven't heard it already. <br /><br />It's basically <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqOWopNNBYA" rel="nofollow">an entire album of modern takes on that idea.</a>Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-78543240331992715002013-09-16T00:12:17.665-04:002013-09-16T00:12:17.665-04:00Art can also help children work out any frustratio...Art can also help children work out any frustrations in their lives by offering a healthy, expressive medium. In addition, exposure to art and the chance to develop their own art provides children with a more diversified experience that can help them in the classroom as well, allowing them for more opportunities for an enhanced learning experience.<br /><br /><b><a href="http://indiaartfair.org/" rel="nofollow">Art</a></b>indiaartfairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17014715840398218466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-41060897811589592232013-09-14T18:26:53.192-04:002013-09-14T18:26:53.192-04:00Some nice new-sounding ideas in that song, very li...Some nice new-sounding ideas in that song, very linear though. Ever groove to the Balinese Monkey Chant from Baraka? <br /><br />David, I can imagine how a small matter like a line weight would be easier to correct rather than crumbling and starting over. I've met so many cartoonists over the years, and my experience has invariably been that the better they are the more what they do is like handwriting. kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-52127124139553793582013-09-14T04:24:23.044-04:002013-09-14T04:24:23.044-04:00Thank you! :)
Thank you! :)<br /><br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-45821223618224897752013-09-14T01:04:35.003-04:002013-09-14T01:04:35.003-04:00Or here, here's their "pop" track.
...Or here, here's their "pop" track. <br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIAZwuCoMXERichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-33553023289333309532013-09-14T00:53:58.078-04:002013-09-14T00:53:58.078-04:00Unfortunately with a name that unusual, even an ad...Unfortunately with a name that unusual, even an additional letter "n" will through off google spell check. The name is actually Koenjihyakkei Tziidall Raszhisst.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11252452629719872592013-09-13T17:43:17.921-04:002013-09-13T17:43:17.921-04:00>a rather entertaining breakdown of >Beyonce...>a rather entertaining breakdown of >Beyonce's All the Single Ladies<br /><br />Whoa, that's impressive! Especially the comments sections. An exegesis of "all the single ladies" is the last thing I'd expect to be reading with pleasure today! :)<br /><br />>celebrity has become more interesting<br /><br />How so? Don't you think that following the antics of Jim Morrison or Iggy Pop was more entertaining than the endless pseudo-scandals over whether Miley Cyrus is showing another inch of skin today or Justin Bieber broke a nail? (Then again, maybe it's just that it was a more entertaining age - like going from Kennedy and Marylin to Clinton and Lewinsky)<br /><br />Or did you mean something else?<br /><br />>Music video production as well.<br /><br />Granted.<br /><br />> knowing that they will not make >it in the market at large, plenty >of musical artists have felt freed >from financial concerns, and are >going to the extremes in pushing >music<br /><br />Side effects have their own side effects. Yes, sometimes it's just better to be marginalized and forced into making a clean cut.<br /><br />>e.g. Koennjihyakkei's Tziidall >Raszhisst<br /><br />Tell... me ....you just made that one up :))<br /><br /><br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-81393660373636033232013-09-13T15:47:44.567-04:002013-09-13T15:47:44.567-04:00"In a way, that is done in Pop music: every s..."In a way, that is done in Pop music: every sentence in the lyrics, every note in the song is targeted at and validated by focus groups...and the result is something that will sell to the "average" audience, but in a safe, bottled, boring way. The misuse of that kind of science is rampant."<br /><br />No doubt it pushes stagnation in certain areas of an artform. <br /><br />In Pop Music truly poetic lyrics are dying, if not dead. By the same token, the art of production has hit an all time high. <br /><br />I would argue the quality of music production today has the underlying compositional complexity of the great classical masters -- if you're interested, there's a rather entertaining breakdown of Beyonce's All the Single Ladies here (http://blog.fixyourmix.com/2009/single-ladies-by-beyonce-a-compositional-analysis/)<br /><br />What's more, celebrity has become more interesting. It's become an artform of it's own, and has given a lot of steam to high-level fashion designers. Music video production as well.<br /><br />What's more -- knowing that they will not make it in the market at large, plenty of musical artists have felt freed from financial concerns, and are going to the extremes in pushing music, which they may never have done if there loomed the possibilities of profits -- e.g. Koennjihyakkei's Tziidall RaszhisstRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-88937565204339250772013-09-13T15:15:39.747-04:002013-09-13T15:15:39.747-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Laurence Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11988700485839219253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-87751304751846843752013-09-13T15:01:38.480-04:002013-09-13T15:01:38.480-04:00Kev Ferrara wrote: "I'm sure it takes no ...Kev Ferrara wrote: "I'm sure it takes no effort for him to draw like this. And if he makes an error on any given drawing, I'm sure he has no qualms about just throwing it in the trash."<br /><br />Kev, I don't know what kind of labor goes into these drawings, although when I had occasion to write about Blechman years ago I showed an original drawing where he had gone back with white paint to shave 1/32 of an inch off a man's nose (that's the difference between funny and not funny, I suppose. http://illustrationart.blogspot.com/2010/09/drawing-attention-to-whisper.html). Many artists who try for a light and casual look have to work like dogs to achieve it, but I suspect you're right, Blechman's style probably comes more naturally to him.<br /><br />Kris wrote: "This kind of drawing is fine if there's a brilliant joke or observation to go with it, but I don't see that here."<br /><br />I know illustration is generally thought of as illustrating some text, but a sensitive line or an interesting composition can be judged even without having that text available. I think most of the art on this blog can stand alone, without an understanding of the content. Is there something different you see in these drawings?<br /><br />Anonymous wrote: "The lines make me uncomfortable; reminds me of Parkinson's tremors."<br /><br />I understand why you say that, but I refer you to my link for Kev Ferrara, above. If Blechman is making such miniscule adjustments to the length of a nose, then clearly he must have something very precise in mind. David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-59040898944845327872013-09-13T14:18:47.410-04:002013-09-13T14:18:47.410-04:00The lines make me uncomfortable; reminds me of Par...The lines make me uncomfortable; reminds me of Parkinson's tremors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-57013550532056157842013-09-13T13:27:51.493-04:002013-09-13T13:27:51.493-04:00This kind of drawing is fine if there's a bril...This kind of drawing is fine if there's a brilliant joke or observation to go with it, but I don't see that here.<br />KrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-42692083304372186872013-09-13T10:23:25.936-04:002013-09-13T10:23:25.936-04:00It is the badly trained artist that gets so caught...It is the badly trained artist that gets so caught up in picayune technical matters that the gestalt falls out of focus.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11402369652222642592013-09-13T10:13:00.003-04:002013-09-13T10:13:00.003-04:00Richard,
I agree about the part of turning off th...Richard,<br /><br />I agree about the part of turning off the expertise and enjoying the work. <br /><br />Not only the technical expertise - I notice that in Paris it's usually the biographical expertise: "oh, he is such a geeenius!.... And you know, this is a drawing of his aunt with whom he was having an affair while sick with tuberculosis". Who cares, lady, let us see the painting!! :)))<br /><br />But I don't think that artists really *need* any help from science. I think the science (apart from technique and inspiration) is mostly interesting for us to understand art in *one more* parallel, complementary way (and it is one more of those aspects like biography and technique that we should switch off for a while to just look at the painting :)). I get distracted when I notice Kim Jung Gi using panoramic perspective and wonder if his lines are "correct" :p<br /><br />Also, do you really feel so pessimistic about art with all the cool stuff going around in your facebook feed and blogs (if not in galleries)? :) (lots of fun in those watercolors)<br /><br />> how much better off will we be >when the artist can continually >check<br /><br />I hope for the sake of curiosity that we'll be able to do that, but I don't think it will be necessarily good in terms of consequences. In a way, that is done in Pop music: every sentence in the lyrics, every note in the song is targeted at and validated by focus groups...and the result is something that will sell to the "average" audience, but in a safe, bottled, boring way. The misuse of that kind of science is rampant. <br /><br />Can you imagine conceptart with neural optimization but never letting go of the endless alien monster pictures and the "cool! A girl with a gun" mentality, only optimized for the average buyer? (when we optimize, we gotta optimize for *someone*, and the average is more profitable). I cringe! :)) The perfect alien space monster is still just another alien space monster.<br /><br />I still think it would be utterly cool to know, though :)... and I hope it doesn't bring much damage along with the good. <br /><br />We're probably safe as long as there are cool artists making fun pictures of critters with their watercolors. :)António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-52099127460917153622013-09-13T08:59:22.124-04:002013-09-13T08:59:22.124-04:00"You could have a computer paint the dividing..."You could have a computer paint the dividing line in all possible positions and then check against the neural responses of a focus group of human subjects to see which they preferred. It is the easiest art - assuming that it is art - to be taken over by computers."<br /><br />I'm wildly excited for this science to come into play.<br /><br />As it is, it seems like a big part of what makes for a great artist is how well they can turn off their expertise, how well they can experience a *picture* with the wholistic experience of the novice. Wholistic because, when not caught up in the technical aspects of how the illusion is done, how the image is made, they see only the image itself. I think most of us have probably had the experience of being at a museum, and hearing as it dawns on someone that paintings have strokes -- "My god! Look, you can see all of the brush strokes!"<br /><br />Does this change the audience's opinion of the work? Far from it, often the very next sentence goes along the lines of "Still, I don't know why someone would paint a picture of a bunch of dead brown pheasants."<br /><br />For the most part though, it seems like even great artists can barely manage to turn off their expertise long enough to see the image as the untrained audience sees it. They lose the forest for the trees -- or to use David's analogy -- well-trained artists all too often see only the quantum interactions at play, and miss out on the classical physics of visual experience, the chemistry of it, and it is this *picture*, this surface chemistry, this illusion, that makes the audience swoon for a picture or walk on.<br /><br />I think what makes photography so much more exciting than drawing to the public is that there are no artists to get in the way of the *pictures*. The audience at large drudges through the billions of photographs taken every year, and by way of crowd-sourcing, finds those images that turn them on, without any bothersome "expertise" getting in the way of that. The audience "checks against their neural responses ", but how much better off will we be when the artist can continually check again neural responses at the very time of creation?<br /><br />Perhaps painters and draftsman will finally be able to make themselves valuable to the public when they've go this technology in hand. God I hope so, otherwise this artform is likely finished.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-31064575645327784592013-09-13T08:58:31.420-04:002013-09-13T08:58:31.420-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-32256456560279382462013-09-13T08:12:57.864-04:002013-09-13T08:12:57.864-04:00From your last post David
You have to wonder who b...From your last post David<br />You have to wonder who benefits from these relations?<br /><br />http://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/2013030711485/tracey-emin-cbe-princess-anne/<br /><br /><br />http://art.state.gov/Anniversary.aspx?tab=images&tid=107004Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04641223414745777056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-42282192680435320302013-09-13T05:48:35.323-04:002013-09-13T05:48:35.323-04:00It's true that a single line will change a wor...It's true that a single line will change a work and that this Newman painting illustrates that point in its most basic form. Having said that, the picture looks like something out of Ramachandran's lab rather than a gallery. :)<br /><br />You could have a computer paint the dividing line in all possible positions and then check against the neural responses of a focus group of human subjects to see which they preferred. It is the easiest art - assuming that it is art - to be taken over by computers.<br /><br />The fact that Newman chose that single variable all by himself somehow doesn't seem impressive. Are we sure that he really got the optimal placement? Have we checked how we feel about all other choices? I'd love for someone to actually go through the trouble of testing that. :) Without the comparison, I feel it is hard to give Newman any accolades for his good taste in interior decoration. I suppose it is good he didn't place it in the middle, although some numerologist nutjob somewhere is screaming that the golden ratio would the be just the right spot... :)António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-81413040916669888402013-09-13T00:33:34.935-04:002013-09-13T00:33:34.935-04:00David,
Blechman has a nice cartoon style. I'...David, <br /><br />Blechman has a nice cartoon style. I'm sure it takes no effort for him to draw like this. And if he makes an error on any given drawing, I'm sure he has no qualms about just throwing it in the trash and starting on a new piece of paper. <br /><br />So while it is surely so that he is "using the power of the inductive imagination of his audience to complete his drawings", this sounds a lot fancier when put like so in big words rather than the simple act of what's going on when you're just doodling on a piece of paper with a felt-tip. <br /><br />I mean, it is pretty darn easy to draw simply, as the human mind needs very little information by which to infer a human figure on a piece of paper. Even the worst artist among us can still draw a cartoon face on a napkin and leave half of it out and we'll get the picture. <br /><br />All to say, the oohing and ahhing just seems wildly misplaced on this point, I think.<br /><br />It is much, much harder to draw funny, and consistently so. And that is why we care about Blechman. <br /><br />Speaking of blech, man, why do you persist in promoting this notion that Barnett Newman is anything more than a simple-minded designer? Is this the badge that says "See, David is open-minded and properly relativist? He is willing to think that the most banal graphic design imaginable is Art just the same as Brangwyn's Skinner Hall murals are Art." <br /><br />Newman painted a blue line. He painted it one place and not another. The rest of the canvas was red. I'll alert the media.<br /><br />Incidentally, do you have any more links to large scans of Phil Hale's work? Because I'm jonesing for some oohing of my own.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-53576202073100599892013-09-12T19:33:19.129-04:002013-09-12T19:33:19.129-04:00>Kim Jung Gi
I was going to mention that guy. ...>Kim Jung Gi<br /><br />I was going to mention that guy. He posts some amazing stuff on facebook. Those sketchbooks of him are really tempting.<br /><br />Also, his use of perspective is great. He uses cylindrical perspective in a really cool, natural way without making a show of it.<br /><br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-56015732752329318552013-09-12T19:07:36.139-04:002013-09-12T19:07:36.139-04:00Kurt Cyrus wrote: "by zooming in so close, th...Kurt Cyrus wrote: "by zooming in so close, the lessons you learn would likely not be applicable to a larger drawing."<br /><br />I think I understand your point a little better, but I'm still not sure why the same principles would not be applicable at the micro and the macro level. At the micro level, we have to blow up the drawing 5x in order to see the artist's decisions. At the macro level, it's easy to see the artist leaving off a head or a hand ( such as in these <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9GAvIVWK7Ww/UQeCm0UfrjI/AAAAAAAAI8U/TVF5osw2RZg/s1600/13_nostromo_hale.jpg" rel="nofollow">great big paintings by Phil Hale</a>). More to the point, in huge paintings the decision to make a single line vertical or horizontal, or to place it in one location or 6 inches to the left can make a huge difference (as in this painting by Barnett Newman: http://www.blueverticalstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/barnettnewmanimage001.jpg). I'd think it was kind of charming if the rules that govern Blechman's tiny drawings also governed huge paintings. It would prove there is no separate quantum mechanics for art.<br /><br />JSL-- Yes, they're interesting to see. Following up on the point from Kurt Cyrus above, quantity IS a facet of quality, and capturing images in this feathery, trembling style does transform the quality. <br /><br />Matthew Adams and Curt Cyrus-- I concur.<br /><br />Joss wrote: "I often feel so helpless in my attempts at expressing myself here, and am amazed at how some people do it so well."<br /><br />Yes, I feel the same way. We deal with some very weighty (and rewarding) issues around here, and when you combine that with the fact that words are merely a poor substitute for drawing, it's difficult to say something worthwhile. Nevertheless, I am often very impressed with the quality of the thoughts and images presented here. David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-8528277725895547722013-09-12T18:01:50.623-04:002013-09-12T18:01:50.623-04:00Sorry, not Hyunjin Kim, I meant to say Kim Jung Gi...Sorry, not Hyunjin Kim, I meant to say Kim Jung Gi. Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-64871587443212682392013-09-12T17:54:22.478-04:002013-09-12T17:54:22.478-04:00David,
This goes back to the "problem" ...David,<br /><br />This goes back to the "problem" of not using Facebook, as I put it, at the Kelly house, and why I nudged you to join. <br /><br />I'm mostly familiar with Afu's work (and this is true of most Chinese, Korean and Japanese artists I follow) because he is in the large extended network of Facebook-represented illustrators.<br /><br />Especially for artists where there is a significant language barrier, like entirely different character sets, it is pretty difficult to delve into their side of the internet to find their work.<br /><br />I know that in the Asian market he is popular mostly because he's regularly published in "dpi 流行設計創意雜誌", which is a big Mandarin language illustration magazine. He also runs a shop in Taichung, Taiwan (台中市) called Afu Dreamer's Forest. Beyond that, I'd have to, again, point you towards Facebook. XD<br /><br />The amount of artists who use their Facebook as their primary working blog is rather substantial. In a lot of cases, even if they run public facing blogs or websites, it is their facebook where you'll get to see the interesting nitty-gritty of their processes.<br /><br />That's true for even some bigger names; Sam Vanallemeersch, Hyunjin Kim, William Wu, Jean Jullien, Jorge González, etc<br /><br /><br />"I don't see why you would call Afu Lee a phony." <br /><br />I must've misunderstood what you meant by phony. I thought you meant untrained/unskilled in a classical sense and trying to cover up for it with over-stylization or abstraction. It's a rather common way to attempt to denigrate an artist, so you'll hopefully understand why I jumped to that conclusion. Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-50158343107273482482013-09-12T05:25:20.876-04:002013-09-12T05:25:20.876-04:00It is what Blechman's lines infer that disting...It is what Blechman's lines infer that distinguishes him from someone like Twombly.<br /><br />Lines that buckle the paper into a world about the world.<br /><br />'Meaning between the lines' as Jeff Jones said about why he loved drawing.chris bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088693067960235141noreply@blogger.com