tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post3454661525717632146..comments2024-03-28T09:33:38.032-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: THE GAZE OF YOUNG GIRLSDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-31397989416309643202019-02-08T18:52:23.895-05:002019-02-08T18:52:23.895-05:00You have...surprisingly...struck a nice balance......You have...surprisingly...struck a nice balance....just because we can, should we...that goes to the idea of wisdom. Thank you.TTThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964514814497542662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-78232231585583994702019-02-08T18:50:51.332-05:002019-02-08T18:50:51.332-05:00You have...surprisingly...struck a nice balance......You have...surprisingly...struck a nice balance....just because we can, should we...that goes to the idea of wisdom. Thank you.TTThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09964514814497542662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79268149967102168402007-09-09T14:23:00.000-04:002007-09-09T14:23:00.000-04:00Thanks, Suzette. I have noticed that parents (of ...Thanks, Suzette. I have noticed that parents (of which I am one) often have a different perspective on this than non-parents.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-29858178894765356802007-09-09T14:20:00.000-04:002007-09-09T14:20:00.000-04:00Joyangel, I guess that "hardcore" has become a rel...Joyangel, I guess that "hardcore" has become a relative concept. But on the spectrum, my examples are as far to the"soft" side as I could get and still make my point.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-71841486134574685772007-09-08T00:22:00.000-04:002007-09-08T00:22:00.000-04:00I thought you said this was not hardcore. Just bec...I thought you said this was not hardcore. Just because they are cartoons.that is even worse because cartoons are usually geared at at originated with children. If children are veiwing this it is because of loose parental control<BR/><BR/>from:http://joyangel123.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11225035165534847392007-09-06T07:03:00.000-04:002007-09-06T07:03:00.000-04:00HELLO!I LOVE YOUR BLOG. I'M SPANISH AND Y LOVE ART...HELLO!<BR/>I LOVE YOUR BLOG. I'M SPANISH AND Y LOVE ART. SEE MY BLOG, PLEASE.<BR/>BYE!Fátima Camóhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18416854618128398355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-77066137599830365322007-09-03T02:25:00.000-04:002007-09-03T02:25:00.000-04:00As an artist, I value self-expression in the creat...As an artist, I value self-expression in the creative process, beautiful, ugly, violent &/or pornographic. As an adult, I can choose what I like or what to avoid or ignore. As a parent, it's my job to edit what could be harmful to my children and to explain and support open, on-going discussions about their ideas & feelings to what they've viewed. I think it's a personal experience for the artist and the viewer with an ever-changing answer.Suzette McD-Bijahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07376660333470005600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-87283898723781576792007-09-02T20:15:00.000-04:002007-09-02T20:15:00.000-04:00Jack r, I agree with both you and Kevin about Serp...Jack r, I agree with both you and Kevin about Serpieri. I don't know how you keep it away from kids in Bud Plant's catalog, let alone on the internet. But I don't think one should hesitate to opine publicly that Serpieri is a decent draughtsman with a badly arrested emotional development.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-86434646903349991452007-09-02T20:09:00.000-04:002007-09-02T20:09:00.000-04:00Thanks, r2k, tragicoma, Scruffy, sanity, forge, cr...Thanks, r2k, tragicoma, Scruffy, sanity, forge, creative, and others. Let's see where this topic takes us.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-14948093576205588232007-09-02T20:06:00.000-04:002007-09-02T20:06:00.000-04:00Silksatin, thank you for a thoughtful analysis and...Silksatin, thank you for a thoughtful analysis and follow up. I agree with you about censorship, although I don't know what kind of a formalized rating system could be applied to a sprawling universe of art out there. I'll be interested in your thoughts as this discussion evolves.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-81074805689797676082007-09-02T20:01:00.000-04:002007-09-02T20:01:00.000-04:00Spacejack and Duske, thanks for the recommendation...Spacejack and Duske, thanks for the recommendations and links. One of the things I like best is getting the names of new artists to follow up on. Spacejack, I am right with you on the Jim Balent thread.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-52936936060291738612007-09-02T19:58:00.000-04:002007-09-02T19:58:00.000-04:00Brian, I guess I would say the "heart" of my post ...Brian, I guess I would say the "heart" of my post is just that the situation is sufficiently complex that we should resist the easy temptation to ridicule anyone who expresses disapproval of such art. It may not be "immoral," but that doesn't mean it isn't shallow or destructive or just plain lousy art. Lots of critics are afraid to distingush between "good" and "bad" art because they think art is subjective and all art must be equally valid. I for one think that is an abdication of our responsibilities as human beings.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-72329884705197307622007-09-02T19:45:00.000-04:002007-09-02T19:45:00.000-04:00Suzi-k, thanks for the nice comment and the very i...Suzi-k, thanks for the nice comment and the very interesting blog. It looks like your life in Africa is very different from what I experience on a daily basis, and I shall enjoy revisiting and learning more.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-70084888355908846442007-09-02T19:43:00.000-04:002007-09-02T19:43:00.000-04:00Thanks, Jennifer, Charles and Nalfia. My views ar...Thanks, Jennifer, Charles and Nalfia. My views are very close to yours. (Charles, I am a father too-- it does change your perspective on things). Like the three of you, I am concerned about the impact of this kind of art on young and impressionable people who don't yet have the perspective and judgment to understand it and deal with it. Government censorship is too high a price to pay, but we need to explore other alternatives.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-25951963578925071492007-09-02T19:21:00.000-04:002007-09-02T19:21:00.000-04:00Gracias por la escritura, Nicolas. Aprecio tus com...Gracias por la escritura, Nicolas. Aprecio tus comentarios e Ilook adelante a ver tu arte algún día.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-34842216047989770252007-09-01T19:04:00.000-04:002007-09-01T19:04:00.000-04:00so coolkaytrem says he'd read againso cool<BR/><A HREF="http://kaytrem.googlepages.com" REL="nofollow">kaytrem</A> says he'd read againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13228784785250557062007-08-31T20:34:00.000-04:002007-08-31T20:34:00.000-04:00I cam across you blog today, and although I am not...I cam across you blog today, and although I am not much of a blog reader I liked yours so much I am adding it to my Favorites. I would like to add a like of it o my own blog, but will only do so with you permission, of course.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16227461860029413788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-78119631266974319402007-08-31T17:23:00.000-04:002007-08-31T17:23:00.000-04:00These are very nice scans, and congratulations on ...These are very nice scans, and congratulations on landing Blogger's featured blogs list. If you'll forgive the self-spammage, you might like to see some of the images I have on my similar (though not as learned) blog, All Edges Gilt, www.alledgesgilt.blogspot.com I only just got started, so there isn't much, but it sounds like it's the sort of thing you would enjoy. Best of luck with yours in the meantime!The Sanity Inspectorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04808433661634318393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-40939818097329877412007-08-31T10:01:00.000-04:002007-08-31T10:01:00.000-04:00delighted to find your blog yesterday and spent ha...delighted to find your blog yesterday and spent happy hours digging through past posts and revelling in meaty debates in the comments... good stuff! Thanks, I'll be back regularly. Yesterday I came across some interesting examples of South African Anti-Apartheid posters, if you are interested follow the link, to the middle of a post called jumbled ramblings, and if you want more, e-mail me and I'll send them. Sadly bad quality photos, but I will be back there to take better ones sometime soon.Suzi-khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338300048993883066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-36038287122458768612007-08-31T07:02:00.000-04:002007-08-31T07:02:00.000-04:00Cool. I'm born with artistic skills. My childhood ...Cool. I'm born with artistic skills. My childhood days was the time I practiced much of this talent. I love your blog. It reminds me of those days. I have added yours to my list of favorite blogs. I'm into programming now. So your blog is next to <A HREF="http://smart-pad.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Smart Pad</A>, my favorite blog on programming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-89001982557444366332007-08-30T23:28:00.000-04:002007-08-30T23:28:00.000-04:00I'd like to propose that gang rape should not be l...I'd like to propose that gang rape should not be labeled as an adolescent fantasy, at least a typical one. Sex, yes but violence using sex, no (or at least I hope not). And that for me is the issue. It's one thing to pander yourself by drawing sex comics but another to combine it with brutality and violence. I think Kevin F. is right about Serpeiri; his comics are the equivalent to fast forwarding the VCR to skip the boring parts. If Serpeiri was a crummy artist well would anybody bother to argue that he wasn’t producing porn? But it seems if you can draw you get some sort of 'art pass'. <BR/><BR/>As for censorship, I have little kids and I'm all for making the sort of stuff David is talking about much less readily accessible. Keep it legal but keep it off the bottom rows at the comic store!Jack Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06003755708951409832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-3926184435441137482007-08-30T21:15:00.000-04:002007-08-30T21:15:00.000-04:00The sexualization of young girls and women in mode...The sexualization of young girls and women in modern art is disturbing to me. I find that alot of this sexual art is brutal and sadistic. I don't know why so many men hate women so much , but they do and it comes out in their creativity for all the world to see. How this art effects the young impressionable mind, I can only imagine that it would have a negative effect, but what do we do as responsible adults who want kids to see only good things? Censorship certainly is not the answer. The answer is in teaching our daughters to be strong,independent, and to have respect for themselves.The best thing a father can do for his children is to love their mother.We must fight negative influences with a positive flow of love and integrity.nalfiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12079463483646496723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-21430015751580217752007-08-30T15:13:00.000-04:002007-08-30T15:13:00.000-04:00Ok let me clarify here what I understand as censor...Ok let me clarify here what I understand as censorship.<BR/><BR/>What I understand as censorship has something of a witch hunt nature... book burning, atelier invading, artist persecuting and banning state sponsored censorship.<BR/><BR/>As I understand, what you are pointing to is something I'd rather call "content filtering".<BR/>Not burning books and ripping pictures off the walls of public museums, but keeping those works from the eyes of young and unprepared audiences. <BR/><BR/>Not persecuting and scaring artists into not expressing themselves through their works, but in educating them on how to choose their audience and on artist's individual and social responsibility.<BR/><BR/>And that is not only commendable, as it is part of our responsibilities as parents, educators, artists, citizens.<BR/><BR/>Worries me though, when this content filtering is done by either state or press and media, because those institutions and entities, unlike the vast majority of us, have an agenda, which rarely has to do with our youth's best interest.<BR/>A proof of that is what is going on in pop culture today.<BR/><BR/>While we are here worried about our youngsters getting their hands on adult graphic novels, they are watching some MTV videos with images that would make Crepax's Valentina most erotic scene's look innocent.<BR/> <BR/>And they are there with their little MP3 players or radios listening to some songs and singing along to some lyrics that are sexist, violent and very foul in language.<BR/><BR/>Which is why I insist that there is NO WAY, system or law that will ever replace individual responsibility. Content filtering can only be made by individuals and sometimes by small groups of like minded folks. Other than that, is dangerous censorship, that can get out of control.<BR/><BR/>We all have a little but absolute and atemporal set of core principles we base our lives and laws on, we call ethics, under which some things are universally deemed as unacceptable no matter how you look at them.<BR/> <BR/>The laws we created and enforced based on such principles are the best we can do as human beings.BelowGradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12770497041581708864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-63665778159426357352007-08-30T15:08:00.000-04:002007-08-30T15:08:00.000-04:00This is an interesting topic. As the father of chi...This is an interesting topic. As the father of children. I am concerned about exposing children to certain images before they are mature enough to understand them. However, with children being surrounded by images on TV and the internet I think that illustrations are only a relatively small factor. As far as adults go, let them see whatever they want.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15316844788539931623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-36614721929173214812007-08-30T14:06:00.000-04:002007-08-30T14:06:00.000-04:00The art of Matisse with to Deran and Braque, rivol...The art of Matisse with to Deran and Braque, rivoluzionano the colors. Their Art becomes a sign, on the equilibrium of the shapes. 'work of the dance that you have postato, and for me is the one which better represents the artist. Grazie.rosy.Rosariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07785374287565359408noreply@blogger.com