tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post4123463655310847016..comments2024-03-28T13:34:12.139-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: ALEXANDER LEYDENFROST (1888-1961)David Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-31826752342709079502011-03-31T13:35:23.277-04:002011-03-31T13:35:23.277-04:00I am trying to find a print or poster the the &quo...I am trying to find a print or poster the the "March of Progress" I would appreciate any suggestions, I have search the internet & ebay but I can't find a copy for sale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-55208127764737903492010-02-09T00:02:34.740-05:002010-02-09T00:02:34.740-05:00Thanks, Tina, for a valuable and interesting contr...Thanks, Tina, for a valuable and interesting contribution. I would love to hear more about your grandfather if you ever feel like sharing. You can reach me at David.Apatoff@gmail.com.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-23100987192446980742010-02-08T23:30:50.137-05:002010-02-08T23:30:50.137-05:00Regarding Sandor Leydenfrost (known to his America...Regarding Sandor Leydenfrost (known to his American family as Alexander), there was another actor who was in the group when he came from Hungary - Paul Lucas. They were known as the Four Ells (Ls). Actually, he wasn't nutty and didn't live off of his family. He was the Chancellor of Education for awhile in Hungary. He was a classy, talented, even-tempered man (in spite of the infamous duel) who may have been too caught up in his art to notice too much of the rest of the world but he was a great man. He passed those genes onto his only blood son (he also adopted the son of his second wife), who followed in his footsteps as a fabulous artist and amazing man, and he was my father. Sandor, then, obviously, was my grandfather. He did have an enormous imagination and a sixth-sense about him. His oil paintings were mostly commissioned by Esquire Magazine (that was the way he "illustrated" for that magazine-he turned in an original painting and they photographed it, then placed it in the magazine). His charcoals were mostly done for Look and Life Magazines. I'm delighted that you like his work.<br />Tina Leydenfrost Saint-PaulUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12930284493359057411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-25326834393207469192009-08-31T15:59:52.686-04:002009-08-31T15:59:52.686-04:00Raphael must have problems reading my text.
I say ...Raphael must have problems reading my text.<br />I say exactly judge the man by his work and leave his opinions out of it.<br />Unfotunately some people bring his comments on other issues into a judgement on his work and because they dont fit a liberal worldview,negative comments are made.<br />Mr Frazetta is a great example of what a man can achieve without the aid of a 'proper' education and should be regarded as such and not sniped at.<br />As I have said, his work is not to my taste though I see his skill, but I admire his achievements nonetheless.Edwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-70296840269478949052009-08-30T07:10:19.982-04:002009-08-30T07:10:19.982-04:00>>>I don't know how the heck we got t...>>>I don't know how the heck we got there from a bland, neutral treatment of poor Baron Leydenfrost but I for one don't see any great need to linger.<<<<br /><br />If it is a mysetry, allow me to unravel it. Charlotte wrote <i>The Standard Feminist Condemnation</i> which mentions the evil penis or the equally evil testosterone (oh that we could be purified by estrogen). <br /><br />Being such standard cant, that drones in the background of almost all female conversations, it escaped your notice...but not mine.<br /><br />The spaceships are no more phallic than the rocks are vaginal. However, to mention that the tops of spray cans are deliberately designed to look like pudendum is <i>tres outré</i> and we're too polite to ever mention it, but it's perfectly acceptable hoary old pop-psych crap about phallic symbols.<br /><br />Aww come on! Rather than bitch about a deeply flawed world that dead european white men made, just go out and make a marvelous world that Gaia would approve of. We're all waiting for history to be rewritten and sanitized with the spray cans with suggestive tops.<br /><br />BTW I am one of those people, along with the Pope, who prays to a female deity.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-6710625646403420912009-08-29T19:44:15.077-04:002009-08-29T19:44:15.077-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13069937144412741282009-08-29T19:29:38.662-04:002009-08-29T19:29:38.662-04:00>>>Can I suggest that Rob's wisdom ab...>>>Can I suggest that Rob's wisdom about politics ("we never state our views, for good reason") applies with equal force to penises? <<<<br /><br />Not until you read Montaigne and learn to accept your unmentionable parts and functions that are identical to all other humans. To do otherwise is to engage in self-loathing...at least, according to Montaigne...and he was a philosher of note and we're still defending poor Frank Frazetta, a garage mechanic if it were not for his talent.<br /><br />Those of us who are not, at heart, garage mechanics must be so upset that we don't have his talent. How can such an inglorious clod have towering talent when we. The Chosen of Nature...college educated and oh-so-wondrous, can't even manage to make one of his preliminary drawings?<br /><br />Nature is unkind.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-8802717815856232662009-08-29T11:10:45.246-04:002009-08-29T11:10:45.246-04:00Thanks, Charlotte-- pleased to have you here (and ...Thanks, Charlotte-- pleased to have you here (and especially pleased to hear from you) regardless of what city you are from. I supose I would not dispute that "a high percentage of male artists/illustrators entered the field led by their libido," although a high percentage of males tie their shoes or cross the street led by their libido so that should not surprise you too much. My question for you is, if they are different what do you think leads women to enter the art field?<br /><br />Hi, Jaleen. Are you teaching about Leydenfrost? I'm glad to hear it. He seems largely forgotten these days.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-48706237277536640782009-08-28T21:59:05.498-04:002009-08-28T21:59:05.498-04:00Darn - wish I'd known about the baron business...Darn - wish I'd known about the baron business.... my students would have gotten a kick out of that!!jaleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13257085483416950886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-55988589224547772682009-08-28T08:14:06.162-04:002009-08-28T08:14:06.162-04:00Rob, I also met Frazetta and while in hindsight I ...Rob, I also met Frazetta and while in hindsight I do not recall him levitating off the ground, at the time (I was 15 and verrry impressed) it did seem like he had a halo. People just need a little time to grow and see more of the world.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-63248238439101188692009-08-27T23:45:33.812-04:002009-08-27T23:45:33.812-04:00Years ago, I ran into Frazetta when he was working...Years ago, I ran into Frazetta when he was working for Al Capp. It hardly bears mentioning except that I had no idea I was encountering (according to these responses) a person who was to become a religious icon.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-73528348710809538432009-08-27T15:17:27.908-04:002009-08-27T15:17:27.908-04:00david: hooray for another person that apparently l...david: hooray for another person that apparently liked the movie. :)<br /><br />as for frazetta:<br />i strongly support the position that my opinion about the artist and his art are two very different things. the oft-quoted example is that you can love wagners music without paying notice to his stance towards jews.<br />i really fancy the writing of china miéville but dislike his marxist beliefs with a passion and think hes just a bit more than slightly mad when he waxes about tolkien being basically fascist.<br /><br />to say that one needs to tread down others by looking for slightest dents in their shining bright armour to elevate ones own puny self is just totally misplaced in this context.<br />frazetta is one hell of a fantasy artist. observation one.<br />frazetta happens to be a man of flesh and blood, having his strong and weak sides. observation two.<br />those two can coexist perfectly... and more important: there is a day-to-night difference between stating that frazettas political opinion (no matter which side, too) wasnt the most well-founded in the world, buying into conspiracy stuff and all, and stating that frazetta was a political dimwit, THUS HIS WORTH IS SOMEWHAT REDUCED AND -LOOK- I AM OH-SO-SMART BY POINTING IT OUT.<br /><br />david can be accused of the first type (and im glad he can), but not the second.<br /><br />au contraire, i think its much more degrading to put frazettas achievements into a wannabe objective context, to judge his work only by his lowlifeish background and bad education. "he did good paintings for an italian without proper schooling"<br />look at his stuff, it blows you off your feet. end of observation. frazettas background and education dont play the most meager role in what his pictures do. pictures as art are first and foremost pictures, not historical testaments to be read in proper factual context of the artists life and his times circumstances but simply looked at.<br />duh.raphaelhttp://gekitsu.deviantart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-18270984184458535032009-08-27T13:34:08.880-04:002009-08-27T13:34:08.880-04:00Once trolling but now chumming, gorge away:
"...Once trolling but now chumming, gorge away:<br /><br />"Frazetta is so well known you might think one can use him as a common datapoint."<br /><br /> Why are these not in the books?<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/frazzetta<br /><br />--ain't it the truth?अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-87158952464359185492009-08-27T12:43:43.499-04:002009-08-27T12:43:43.499-04:00Kev-- ain't it the truth?Kev-- ain't it the truth?David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-3472588939264669882009-08-27T12:33:27.506-04:002009-08-27T12:33:27.506-04:00Jeeze, that is strange David. What kind of people ...Jeeze, that is strange David. What kind of people hang around this place, anyway?! Buncha scrappers.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-58933035960835673872009-08-27T12:18:10.989-04:002009-08-27T12:18:10.989-04:00The point about this is, David ,that you reveal yo...The point about this is, David ,that you reveal yourself to be one of the 'little people' by looking for an Achilles Heel by which to criticize Mr Frazetta.Actually I am not a fan of his work and definitely do not consider his paintings 'cool' but I do respect his achievements in the context of his penurious background and limited education which no doubt have informed his view of the world.I'm guessing here you've followed a more academic path in life which one would hope has given you a more nuanced view of things... which makes your denigration of his views a kind of intellectual bullying.You must see the man in his true context and not judge him by an unfair yardstick.Jannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-9320613786138079602009-08-27T11:28:12.348-04:002009-08-27T11:28:12.348-04:00Jan, I don't see anyone on this blog criticizi...Jan, I don't see anyone on this blog criticizing Frazetta's art. <br /><br />If you think it is a criticism of his work to say that Frazetta (just like Jack Kirby and a thousand other artists) leads an everyday family life, watching TV and getting mad about taxes and politicians, then I'm afraid I miss your point. If you think it is disrespectful to observe that such a family life is different from the world of rocket ships, barbarians and wenches, then I'm afraid you miss my point; I for one regard it as an interesting observation about the creative process generally, and I find the contrast kind of endearing. <br /><br />Finally, if you think that because Frazetta paints cool pictures he must automatically be intelligent or politically astute, I would say you don't know very much about life. I personally think it was a mistake for Frazetta to use the forum created by his art to promulgate his theories about Nixon, the reasons for the war, Limbaugh, Clinton and similar issues-- at least without reading a book first. But it is his fame and he is free to spend it however he wants. That is not the focus of this blog (to the extent that it has a focus at all).David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-19009778330779359642009-08-27T10:59:24.375-04:002009-08-27T10:59:24.375-04:00Reading this forum two thoughts come to mind;
1.Fr...Reading this forum two thoughts come to mind;<br />1.Frazetta is a giant surrounded by Lilliputian critics who look for any chink in his armor to traduce and humiliate him so they can feel better about themslves and their mediocrity.<br />2.Behind most Liberal facades there's some kind of cultural fascist waiting for the opportunity to control someone else's life.Jannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79141984105489031732009-08-27T01:14:50.081-04:002009-08-27T01:14:50.081-04:00Kev, I have to keep shifting adjectives to stay ah...Kev, I have to keep shifting adjectives to stay ahead of some of the disputatious muggles I have writing in. You wouldn't believe it, but one guy wrote in saying Frazetta was "watching" Wheel of Fortune, so I assumed that he was "ingesting" Wheel of Fortune (because if you watch something you generally absorb at least something from it) but this guy had the nerve to write back and say no no no, he wasn't so much "ingesting" Wheel of Fortune, it was more like it was the wallpaper in the room, as if he was in-the-presence-of-Wheel-of-Fortune-while-simultaneously-repelling-it-like-water-off-a-duck's-back, so then I've gotta come up with a less offensive synonym for "absorb" that means less than "assimilate" or "imbibe" but probably more than ignore, and once again I find myself in another goofy debate I never wanted to have about how many Frazzetas can dance on the head of a pin. <br /><br />Frazetta is so well known you might think one can use him as a common datapoint, but you'll burn through your lexicon real fast trying to agree upon some common vocabulary to communicate with his ardent defenders.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-37315916046274941632009-08-26T22:34:51.637-04:002009-08-26T22:34:51.637-04:00I would say he wasn't ingesting Wheel of Fortu...I would say he wasn't ingesting Wheel of Fortune (which telecasted at 7pm when I used to watch it with my Italian grandfather when I was a kid). He was spending time with his family to regenerate his batteries. Wheel of Fortune was just the wallpaper in the room. <br /><br />Uneducated, credulous, mindless, moronic... you seem to be on a roll with the anti-bourgeoise pejoratives. Is the heat preventing a sound sleep? :)<br /><br />kevkev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13408369678617217602009-08-26T22:05:22.924-04:002009-08-26T22:05:22.924-04:00Can I suggest that Rob's wisdom about politics...Can I suggest that Rob's wisdom about politics ("we never state our views, for good reason") applies with equal force to penises? I don't know how the heck we got there from a bland, neutral treatment of poor Baron Leydenfrost but I for one don't see any great need to linger.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-42603016281577635332009-08-26T21:59:14.555-04:002009-08-26T21:59:14.555-04:00Kev, I am delighted that Frazetta sits in the den ...Kev, I am delighted that Frazetta sits in the den with his family and watches "Wheel of Fortune." That's an even better example for my point. The alchemy of art is far more miraculous, not less miraculous, because Frazetta ingests moronic daytime TV shows and then creates strange and exotic worlds which he conjures up perfectly, with eerie lighting and fanciful effects. What kind of metabolism is responsible for that kind of transformation? Not since Rapunzel spun gold out of straw...<br /><br />If Frazetta had set up his easel in a land of barbarians and witches and painted what he saw, I would be far less impressed.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-35701405056804887292009-08-26T21:11:18.159-04:002009-08-26T21:11:18.159-04:00Not threatened, dear Rob -- bored. No offense to a...Not threatened, dear Rob -- bored. <i>No offense to all the penises out there including yours.</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-61238283421469568222009-08-26T20:14:39.378-04:002009-08-26T20:14:39.378-04:00>>>Egads! Rocket ships, big phallics, def...>>>Egads! Rocket ships, big phallics, defying the laws of physics, ...oops, ILLUSTRATIONS of rocket ships, big phallics, defying the laws of physics, <<<<br /><br />Do you have a problem with penises? Some things look like penises...pencils, bread sticks, telephone poles and bananas. Nobody designed them to look like penises. Even though the tops of spray cans are purposely designed to look like vaginas, I don't get disturbed by that fact. ARe you also disturbed by the vagina-top spray cans or Georgia O'Keeffe paintings of floral vulvas?<br /><br />They don't bother me and i don't feel threatened by them (although some are awfully large and could consume a grown man if he got too close).Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-85692251307446904362009-08-26T20:06:44.312-04:002009-08-26T20:06:44.312-04:00>>>If Mr Frazetta was asked a question ab...>>>If Mr Frazetta was asked a question about his views and he answered it,isnt that an act of courtesy?<<<<br /><br />Perhaps in an age where people do not know what courtesies are, that's true. Generally, keeping one's mouth shut is the best advice. In that way people do not know that David is a bit to the left of Mao Tse Tung and I'm just a tad to the right of Louis XVI. But we never state our views for good reason...discourteous people lay in wait, claiming we answer them as an act of courtesy.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.com