tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post4407915800212980363..comments2024-03-29T11:21:29.268-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: THE CARTOONIST'S REVENGEDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-50237806044947535912012-04-10T22:40:18.861-04:002012-04-10T22:40:18.861-04:00cool.. theese ilustration are awesome..cool.. theese ilustration are awesome..Selma - juegos de vestirhttp://www.juegosdevestirjuegos.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-52542773290911112162012-03-12T13:44:36.611-04:002012-03-12T13:44:36.611-04:00Nast had a huge impact in his day. A, great post.
...Nast had a huge impact in his day. A, great post.<br /><br />Benjamin RaucherBenjamin Marcus Raucherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00006891069454386067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11732494745429414512012-03-10T14:38:15.012-05:002012-03-10T14:38:15.012-05:00In before groveling over Moebius.In before groveling over Moebius.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-65400937827245985212012-03-07T21:56:13.644-05:002012-03-07T21:56:13.644-05:00Just advertising my Robert Fawcett "week"...Just advertising my Robert Fawcett "week"… & <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS91h0FhIgs" rel="nofollow">some Gabor</a>.अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-16280079783555045472012-03-07T14:49:23.554-05:002012-03-07T14:49:23.554-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236418023967184285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-91961640495390120722012-03-07T14:48:24.025-05:002012-03-07T14:48:24.025-05:00"Men fight for liberty and win it with hard k..."Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves."<br /> -D.H.LawrenceReginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236418023967184285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-39145609811411759222012-03-06T04:17:47.651-05:002012-03-06T04:17:47.651-05:00Regina-- "The best lack all conviction while ...Regina-- "The best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity." YeatsDavid Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-76057463269642434452012-03-05T21:47:31.220-05:002012-03-05T21:47:31.220-05:00"If we stand idly by, if we seek merely swoll..."If we stand idly by, if we seek merely swollen, slothful ease, and ignoble peace, if we shrink from the hard contests where men must win at hazard of their lives and at the risk of all they hold dear, then the bolder and stronger peoples will pass us by and will win for themselves the domination of the world."<br /> -Theodore Roosevelt,1899.Reginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236418023967184285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-5409770262935841822012-03-01T17:19:00.926-05:002012-03-01T17:19:00.926-05:00StimmeDesHerzens-- Being a guy, it would be pointl...StimmeDesHerzens-- Being a guy, it would be pointless to deny that I was thinking about what all guys think about all the time, but I hasten to assure you that there were plenty of other things mixed in there too.<br /><br />Robert Cook-- Yes, it seems than still capture the attention of the world, but rather than "rake in piles of dough" their reward is more likely to be broken hands or a fatwah against them.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2295291474933301862012-02-29T21:26:54.453-05:002012-02-29T21:26:54.453-05:00Unfortunately, the days when cartoonists or illust...Unfortunately, the days when cartoonists or illustrators could capture the attention and applause of the world, and rake in piles of dough while influencing public affairs are gone, Gone, GONE.Robert Cookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06951286299515983901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-90526441540323228392012-02-29T12:09:30.925-05:002012-02-29T12:09:30.925-05:00From the finest of the fine dictionary "Webst...From the finest of the fine dictionary "Webster's New International Dictionary" that belonged to my grandad when he was at Harvard Law, pub. 1920:<br />penetralia-1.)The innermost or most private parts of any thing or place, esp of a temple or palace 2.)Hidden things or secrets; privacy; sanctuary; as, the sacred pentralia of the home<br /><br />So, David, what were YOU thinking of?<br /><br />RE; "But in their ability to make a line on paper, they still have the means to shake up the world." Where are those cartoonists now, when we need them....to help change course...<br /><br />Now Now Infidel Killer, no need to be agressive here at our most favorite blog. It accomplishes nothing but disdain for your notions.StimmeDesHerzenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15084934926989805342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-9700798934523292052012-02-28T14:28:11.939-05:002012-02-28T14:28:11.939-05:00Etc, etc-- You sound like someone who has dealt wi...Etc, etc-- You sound like someone who has dealt with a lawyer or two in his day.<br /><br />AJA-- What a nice comment! I get much pleasure from sharing with and learning from people with eyes to see.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-54894046886630795672012-02-28T05:27:17.714-05:002012-02-28T05:27:17.714-05:00Great post! This is a kick in the butt for me that...Great post! This is a kick in the butt for me that my art matters, thank you.asiabet99.nethttp://asiabet99.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-65610711828425112052012-02-28T02:18:01.463-05:002012-02-28T02:18:01.463-05:00David, I really love your blog. I've been read...David, I really love your blog. I've been reading it for the past few months(archives too) and it consistently gives me hope that great art is not dead. <br /><br />Thanks for that and thanks for the massive amount of new artists that you recommend.AJAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-78201895530063889052012-02-27T20:33:46.412-05:002012-02-27T20:33:46.412-05:00Larry Roibal of the well known Drawing on Observat...Larry Roibal of the well known <a href="http://www.roibal.net/blog/" rel="nofollow">Drawing on Observations</a> blog wrote to remind me of how Syrian cartoonist Ali Ferzat succeeded in antagonizing the thuggish regime in Syria, which sent a couple of goons to beat him and break his hands last year. Larry posted an extremely nice <a href="http://www.roibal.net/blog/2011/08/26/ali-ferzat/" rel="nofollow">drawing of Ferzat</a> as a tribute on his blog. There's one more artist whose work was so influential that the monsters in charge concluded he was a threat to the realm.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-9758798145190213532012-02-27T14:11:16.647-05:002012-02-27T14:11:16.647-05:00David,
You totally stuck a pin in that balloon. Y...David,<br />You totally stuck a pin in that balloon. You lawyers sure are concise when there's no money on the line. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-47622597153862550742012-02-27T12:04:11.476-05:002012-02-27T12:04:11.476-05:00Jesse Hamm-- Thanks, I was unfamiliar with Bellus&...Jesse Hamm-- Thanks, I was unfamiliar with Bellus's work. That's a good story.<br /><br />Etc, etc-- Thanks for the link. I thought the case was so interesting I followed up by reviewing the judge's actual holding. (The "holding" in a case is the actual legal basis for the outcome, as opposed to the "dicta" which is all the background information and side comments.) It turns out that the holding of this case is not what is being portrayed in the link. The judge's dicta contains a lot of foolish rambling which misconstrues the First Amendment, but the actual holding has nothing to do with the First Amendment and seems pretty unassailable: The judge ruled that there were two different versions of the facts, that there were no third party witnesses, that the government has the burden of proof to show its version of the facts is true "by a preponderance of the evidence" and it failed to satisfy that burden in this case (where it is just one person's word against another). I'd be surprised if this decision is overturned, or if anyone would want it overturned on that basis.<br /><br />Donald Pittenger-- An interesting question. In each of these examples, the artist passed a market test with a broader audience. They did not have to satisfy some individual in charge of hiring, or some whiffy country club admissions committee (which is where credentialism often creeps in to protect the decision maker from being second guessed). In some cases, these artists were a pain in the neck and violated the editorial policies of their bosses, but the artist couldn't be fired because they were too popular.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-10971058561046167972012-02-27T11:02:27.576-05:002012-02-27T11:02:27.576-05:00Kay-- Many thanks.
MORAN, Anonymous and Infidel K...Kay-- Many thanks.<br /><br />MORAN, Anonymous and Infidel Killer-- while your thread is a little off subject, it did cause me to reflect that when cartoonists have antagonized powerful interests in the past they have reacted differently. When Hitler was mad at David Low, he lodged diplomatic objections and complained to the newspaper. When Churchill thought that Low's cartoons were going to upset relations with Greece at a delicate moment when the country was flirting with communism, he asked the newspaper to exercise restraint. When the Tweed cabal wanted to silence Nast, they went to him and offered him a $100,000+ bribe to stop. (He refused and blew the whistle on them). It's difficult to think of another group that advocates murder for a drawing, but I suspect such things did occur long ago in more primitive, fundamentalist times. <br /><br />Roberto-- yes, depending what you do with it, it can matter very much.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-63974524916558406232012-02-27T08:20:58.876-05:002012-02-27T08:20:58.876-05:00"The USA has killed hundreds of thousands of ..."The USA has killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East."<br /><br />Were any of them killed because we didn't like their drawings? Thank God our troops protect me from people who cut your throat if they don't like your drawing or murder you on the street if they don't like your movie. If people in the Middle East don't like getting killed they should out those animals rather than protecting them.MORANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-62525029519956060302012-02-27T04:04:05.102-05:002012-02-27T04:04:05.102-05:00great post! glad to have read this :)great post! glad to have read this :)Dimitrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11384636236459989132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-38813350966823119432012-02-26T20:00:02.227-05:002012-02-26T20:00:02.227-05:00Glenn Reynolds (AKA Instapundit) has been banging ...Glenn Reynolds (AKA Instapundit) has been banging away about a developing higher education bubble that could burst, as have so many other bubbles. I generally agree, though mitigating factors are: (1) Parents wanting the "best" for their kids will jump through all sorts of hoops to make sure the youngsters get that sheepskin. (2) Credentialism, which structures many fields so that a certain level of education becomes the threshold for entry.<br /><br />A message I get from the post is that cartooning and commercial art were free of credentialism. So ... I wonder what things would be like if credentialism prevailed in the world of art.<br /><br />(Actually, an MFA seems to be useful for academic career-builders. Will that disease spread or is ability and its manifestations continue to prevail?)Donald Pittengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307228686847434740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-25966331715142278022012-02-26T18:16:51.148-05:002012-02-26T18:16:51.148-05:00Penn Judge: Muslims Allowed to Attack People for I...<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/penn-judge-muslims-allowed-attack-people-insulting-mohammad-210000330.html" rel="nofollow">Penn Judge: Muslims Allowed to Attack People for Insulting Mohammad</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-84502819771105446602012-02-26T18:04:43.707-05:002012-02-26T18:04:43.707-05:00Kliban thought he was kidding, but had he lived to...Kliban thought he was kidding, but had he lived to see some comics superstars strutting around modern day comic conventions with their groupies and handlers, he'd see his prediction wasn't far off. <br /><br />Another of good story of Nast-like influence is the wartime experience of Jean Bellus. According to a biographical essay:<br /><br />"He was in the French Army in 1940 and was captured by the Germans. In captivity, he spent four years resisting German offers of freedom. The offers had only one catch to them -- he would have to do cartoons for the collaborationist press in Paris." <br /><br />What I love about the story is that Bellus's stuff is not what anyone would call political -- just lots of <a href="http://images.bidorbuy.co.za/user_images/506/720506_clem1b_(883_x_843)_(442_x_422)_(332_x_316).jpg" rel="nofollow">domestic scenes</a> and cute girls, a la Dan DeCarlo. But the Germans knew the power of such drawings to assure the masses that "all is well."Jesse Hammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02253641550766389238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-77027997809071840432012-02-26T15:06:23.525-05:002012-02-26T15:06:23.525-05:00Anonymous, GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES RIGHT NOW AND PR...Anonymous, GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES RIGHT NOW AND PRAY TO ALLAH OR I WILL SLIT YOUR THROAT.INFIDEL KILLERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-49497336515485109712012-02-26T14:18:51.143-05:002012-02-26T14:18:51.143-05:00"those rioters are fucking animals"
The..."those rioters are fucking animals"<br /><br />The USA has killed hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East and is scheming to kill even more. This is a <i>much</i> bigger problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com