tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post5294606724372533889..comments2024-03-27T18:26:40.787-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: IS IT ART? ASK A LAWYERDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-57538736510102816722012-09-10T12:06:13.902-04:002012-09-10T12:06:13.902-04:00There is a very funny comic book from Malher - Aus...There is a very funny comic book from Malher - Austrian comic artis- named "L'Art selon Mme Goldruber" - "The Art as Mrs Goldruber sees it"- where Mrs Goldruber has to decide if comics is Art for taxes.Li-Anhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10702501956172981776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-83660069675772817472012-09-10T10:54:09.170-04:002012-09-10T10:54:09.170-04:00If beauty is in the eye of the beholder…
Then crim...If beauty is in the eye of the beholder…<br />Then crime is in the conscience of the criminal.<br /><br />What then of law’s relevance in judgement of these things?<br />A definition of crime is brought about by consensus.<br />Our problem regarding the definition of Art for practical cases is that there is no consensus.<br />The meaningful question is why.<br />chris bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088693067960235141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-49502672730233519042012-09-09T20:14:35.380-04:002012-09-09T20:14:35.380-04:00lawyers are, after all, artists. arent they?
a21f...lawyers are, after all, artists. arent they?<br /><br />a21f499d032d2a31086480ac31f38e88Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-26144912577462028592012-09-08T12:53:36.013-04:002012-09-08T12:53:36.013-04:00Judge: Now this chocolate bunny over here (exhibit...Judge: Now this chocolate bunny over here (exhibit G) actually looks like a bunny. Do you see that?<br /><br />Steichen: Yes, your honor.<br /><br />Judge: And if you saw this chocolate bunny on the street you might recognize it as a bunny.<br /><br />(snip)<br /><br />Steichen: What if suddenly artists had the power to pronounce rules over lawyers and judges. For instance, say an artist came up to you, Judge, and told you that Per Stirpes was a method of pinstriping automobiles, and tort law was about the allocation of fruit pies?<br /><br />Judge: Absurd. We are in charge of those words.<br /><br />Steichen: Say, for the sake of argument, that artists were now in charge of those words and the rulings of the court. <br /><br />Judge: We have everything written down. All our definitions and procedures. It is written and you can't eradicate all that writing. <br /><br />Steichen: All that writing is now the jurisdiction of artists. They can ignore it if they want. <br /><br />Judge: We control the definitions of those words. Those are our words. Those are our procedures.<br /><br />Steichen: I'm just saying for the sake of argument. <br /><br />Judge: Those are <i>our</i> words. Those are <i>our</i> procedures..kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-49691928393889188412012-09-08T12:33:32.178-04:002012-09-08T12:33:32.178-04:00Anonymous-- I never noticed the resemblance.
Kev ...Anonymous-- I never noticed the resemblance.<br /><br />Kev Ferrara-- So, how does that trophy look on your mantle at home?<br /><br />(PS-- I get the joke, very funny.)<br /><br />Donald Pittenger-- Well, that's a good point. Perhaps we need a bar association for artists, to license who can practice?<br /><br />Matthew Harwood-- The legal cases on the definition of art, like the cases on obscenity in art and the Whistler case you mention, are some of the most entertaining cases in the law. I suspect that the "Nite Moves" case is going to be a doozy. David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2453372747074242672012-09-08T12:27:52.718-04:002012-09-08T12:27:52.718-04:00MORAN-- I was actually quite pleased by the logica...MORAN-- I was actually quite pleased by the logical standards applied by the judge. He did not have the in depth expertise of the academics or gallery owners or the artists, but at the same time his judgment wasn't skewed by the conflicts of interests and personal rivalries that plague those "experts." He understood his limitations, and brought a humility to the task that most of the "experts" unwisely leave behind. And in plain English, he addressed many of the epistemological issues that professors of aesthetics belabor in long, ponderous treatises:<br /><br />Judge: Simply because he called it a bird, does that make it a bird to you?<br /><br />Steichen: Yes, your honor.<br /><br />Judge: If you would see it on the street you would never think of calling it a bird, would you?<br /><br />Steichen: [silence]<br /><br />Judge: If you saw it in the forest would you take a shot at it?<br /><br />Steichen: No, your honor.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-40199609062471507782012-09-08T04:09:38.371-04:002012-09-08T04:09:38.371-04:00A hood ornament. I prefer Rembrandt Bugatti.
The ...A hood ornament. I prefer <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeWEOEJMdPU" rel="nofollow">Rembrandt Bugatti</a>.<br /><br />The Devil always wants a piece of the action. God Dåmn the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0M__0Z1pjg" rel="nofollow">Taxman.</a>अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-61504680853159298392012-09-08T03:41:55.246-04:002012-09-08T03:41:55.246-04:00MORAN said...
Do you really think a judge or a law...MORAN said...<br />Do you really think a judge or a lawyer can decide what is art?<br /><br />Do you disagree with this Judges finding? <br /><br />Now with strippers I think the lines get a little fuzzy, though, I'd be cool calling a lapdance "manufacturing an object" or whatever!<br /><br />Josshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18396610569402016319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-29330784259552383822012-09-07T22:34:12.303-04:002012-09-07T22:34:12.303-04:00Ugh, precedentUgh, precedentMatthew Harwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734480582730495611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-63312833764530264752012-09-07T22:14:04.843-04:002012-09-07T22:14:04.843-04:00Thank you David-very interesting. It reminds me o...Thank you David-very interesting. It reminds me of the Whistler v. Ruskin libel suit. I wonder what other legal presidents there are for defining what the definition of art?Matthew Harwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734480582730495611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-50241641679973014872012-09-07T18:31:21.653-04:002012-09-07T18:31:21.653-04:00Dave, Dave, Dave. Surely you know that anyone can...Dave, Dave, Dave. Surely you know that <i>anyone</i> can proclaim himself an Artist. And given his status as an Artist, he is now enabled to proclaim anything he selects (or, better yet, creates) as Art.<br /><br />I know you're a lawyer, but you really need to drop your shackles and get with the program. :-)Donald Pittengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11307228686847434740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-45093418770324459602012-09-07T18:23:52.645-04:002012-09-07T18:23:52.645-04:00Anon, guess the joke didn't land. Reworded...
...Anon, guess the joke didn't land. Reworded...<br /><br />Strangely enough, for its best customer, Nite Moves awards a frequent flyer trophy with remarkable similarities to Bird In Space..<br /><br />(back to address the actual content of the post soonish.)kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-83756973813779018172012-09-07T17:26:49.387-04:002012-09-07T17:26:49.387-04:00Kev you are confusing Bird In Space with a strippe...Kev you are confusing Bird In Space with a stripper pole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-59881530911253794802012-09-07T17:20:48.829-04:002012-09-07T17:20:48.829-04:00Do you really think a judge or a lawyer can decide...Do you really think a judge or a lawyer can decide what is art?MORANnoreply@blogger.com