tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post5682458675739843683..comments2024-03-28T11:11:58.563-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: FINDING PERSONALITY IN A BRICKDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-77526334354058188132009-09-09T08:09:57.397-04:002009-09-09T08:09:57.397-04:00I'd like to clarify myself.
>>>each...I'd like to clarify myself. <br /><br />>>>each drawing started out as essentially a mechanical drawing <<<<br /><br />>>>In each of these drawings, the artist had to begin with a foundation of traditional knowledge and technical drawing skills, even if those rules were quickly abandoned.<<<<br /><br />This may be true, but it isn't obvious to me. In the drawings of Fuchs and McNelly, no rectangular-looking object comprises more than, say, 40% of the drawing surface. So I'm asking myself: isn’t it possible, even likely, that these two drawings started with a few bold lines to outline the overall composition? <br /><br />>>>But their opinions are far more believable because the artist had mastered how to draw the mechanically correct version.<<<<br /><br />It would be equally true to say that the geometric shapes would have been much less believable if the drawings weren’t injected with the artists’ opinions. <br /><br />I tend to think this isn't a matter of different beliefs, but rather rethoric. The conclusion in the post emphasizes the importance of mechanical drawing. Of course, I’m very well aware that such emphasis can be a natural reaction to biases in the opposite direction (ah, those New York City galleries).<br /><br />“pull it together” <br /><br />No. That’s not the intended message of my posts, though of course you’re free to believe what you choose.Ivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-31272614999682452472009-09-08T22:42:59.920-04:002009-09-08T22:42:59.920-04:00Great examples. I really enjoy reading your perspe...Great examples. I really enjoy reading your perspectives.Prestonhttp://meandtheblueskies.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-12062195640178216992009-09-07T17:35:46.925-04:002009-09-07T17:35:46.925-04:00I always enjoy giving buildings attitude. Happy or...I always enjoy giving buildings attitude. Happy or sad, maybe aggressive or shy. That's why I find it hard to draw with a ruler.Jack Ruttanhttp://mruttan.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-69643079772146251262009-09-06T09:03:32.273-04:002009-09-06T09:03:32.273-04:00I know that he doesn't hew to the opinions of ...I know that he doesn't hew to the opinions of our self-acclaimed social betters and intellectual superiors, but it strikes me that Michael Ramirez is the logical heir to Jeff McNelly.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-47550038407211101862009-09-05T14:43:33.131-04:002009-09-05T14:43:33.131-04:00David, even Ingmar Bergman thinks you're opini...David, even Ingmar Bergman thinks you're opinion is wrong. <br /><br />Pull it together, would you?<br /><br />kevkev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-59832094776230992002009-09-05T13:14:06.991-04:002009-09-05T13:14:06.991-04:00And as usual, an ironical twist in the conversatio...And as usual, an ironical twist in the conversation appears - because I just came to post some criticism :) <br /><br />I'm Ivan who is too lazy to log in right now. I’d like to say something regarding this conclusion:<br /><br />>>>Each drawings turned out wonderfully opinionated-- the artists were able to imbue a stone block with character, and portray a brick with personality. But their opinions are far more believable because the artist had mastered how to draw the mechanically correct version.<<<<br /><br />The question What makes for great artwork? is answered differently by different people; David Apatoff belongs to a group that likes to say: the key is mastering of the basic drawing skills. He, apparently, speaks in reaction to the practice in many art schools that do not systematically teach such skills. <br /><br />But thinking about it, I’ve come to the conclusion that the both said approaches are wanting. <br /><br />You know why is your stance flawed? Because time and again, I come across this kind of observation (follows slight paraphrase): <br /><br />>>Today’s young generations have great skills taught at schools, but their work has no ideas, no inspiration; they emanate nothing; they show no emotions.<< <br /><br />Sometimes its my own thought, but more often it is an observation of older and intelligent people, like Ingmar Bergman. <br /><br />I don’t have the full answer as to what makes great art, and of course, no one does. I agree with Rob Howard’s first comment though. <br /><br />Regards, IvanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-31044212781213655752009-09-05T11:06:21.233-04:002009-09-05T11:06:21.233-04:00Giovanni, there's no better comment than that....Giovanni, there's no better comment than that. Thanks for writing.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-10935308127003753652009-09-05T05:00:35.949-04:002009-09-05T05:00:35.949-04:00David, you display great spokespersonshipDavid, you display great spokespersonshipRob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-32529768461807442702009-09-04T14:27:36.825-04:002009-09-04T14:27:36.825-04:00I'm sorry I don't have anything more compe...I'm sorry I don't have anything more competent and poignant to say than I always read your blog and that, as an aspiring illustrator, I've found it much more useful than all the art critiques I've read. Just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work.Daianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15914018771411165504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-12273157075680036392009-09-03T15:29:09.907-04:002009-09-03T15:29:09.907-04:00Dammit Kev your right!Dammit Kev your right!अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-26722285011480869072009-09-03T03:33:08.944-04:002009-09-03T03:33:08.944-04:00LCG and Chris-- thanks so much, I appreciate it!
...LCG and Chris-- thanks so much, I appreciate it!<br /><br />Jeffkers-- MacNelly was a terrific talent (plus a great guy even after he won multiple pulitzer prizes). He was not only a superb draughtsman (as Rob notes) but he was an extremely clever editorial cartoonist, one of the very best. I would have devoted a post to his work long ago if I'd had access to any of his originals.<br /><br />अर्जुन, I'm afraid we disagree on both Carter and Torres. I share Kev's view that Torres was just not in the same league with Davis or Drucker at all.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-70537847498798054122009-09-02T23:22:08.192-04:002009-09-02T23:22:08.192-04:00Angelo Torres?? Love his work, but he was not as g...Angelo Torres?? Love his work, but he was not as good as either Drucker or Davis. He was aping Drucker, and was never able to nail the caricatures. Basil Wolverton's caricatures, however, are hilarious and spot on and, to say the least, original. And he also worked for Mad. (Though he never did caricatures, per se, for mad, that I can recall. Just extremely hideous looking people from his imagination.)kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-76161161196033113662009-09-02T15:07:14.199-04:002009-09-02T15:07:14.199-04:00Re: a problem letting go...
Like a mirror I accep...Re: a problem letting go...<br /><br />Like a mirror I accept all and hold on to no-thing, this was merely a reflection upon an observation. Seeing that the Islamist water-boy is still out and about is hardly my not letting go.<br /><br />Seems I might have to nix my trip to China.<br />http://tinyurl.com/china-vamp<br /><br />再见<br /><br />Not enough people mention Angelo Torres when they bring up Drucker or Jack Davis. He completes the trinity!अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-40497112735108526682009-09-02T09:14:28.408-04:002009-09-02T09:14:28.408-04:00There's a real love of drawing in the Macnelly...There's a real love of drawing in the Macnelly piece.Would it have been referenced? I don't know much about him.Jeffkersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-88525663206670958702009-09-02T07:27:31.164-04:002009-09-02T07:27:31.164-04:00Nice images. Especially love Fuchs drawing. His co...Nice images. Especially love Fuchs drawing. His confidence with such a delicate line. I feel it could go off in any direction but it just sits there conveying information.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01121212069401651952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-19999555006410384692009-09-01T21:51:12.004-04:002009-09-01T21:51:12.004-04:00This human-woman is not offended by any word, noun...This human-woman is not offended by any word, noun, name or position I may hold, that ends in M A N. The "person" suffix is just silly PC stuff. However, I'm very surprised that some ol' battle-ax feminist hasn't brought it to our attention that "person" ends in "son", a slight, yes, - a disparagement, to all us daughters! ;-)<br /><br />Another wonderful blog, David. Thanks, again, for all the amazing images and commentary you share.LCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171368295442228859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-82293095892858055182009-09-01T16:51:36.882-04:002009-09-01T16:51:36.882-04:00No worries, David. I was just joking about the fas...No worries, David. I was just joking about the fashions of language.Jesse Hammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02253641550766389238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-83291449454290170602009-09-01T08:56:29.105-04:002009-09-01T08:56:29.105-04:00Chairperson, Draughtsperson, Spokesperson etc I th...Chairperson, Draughtsperson, Spokesperson etc I thought we were all HUMANS or are we now HUPERSONS.Let's not cripple a beautiful language with PC idiocy.Anthonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-12642367578510785232009-09-01T07:48:45.763-04:002009-09-01T07:48:45.763-04:00Jesse, I tried the word "draftsperson" b...Jesse, I tried the word "draftsperson" because I certainly do mean the concept in a gender neutral way, but the word is just hopelessly clumsy. Our vocabulary is overdue for a conversion that reflects modern reality, but some words are just more stubborn than others. Until we can agree upon a suitable replacement, I hope readers will understand that I use the old word in the new (most inclusive) sense.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-44351571536184495152009-09-01T07:39:10.416-04:002009-09-01T07:39:10.416-04:00Beth, I'm glad you liked the little doggie too...Beth, I'm glad you liked the little doggie too. Looking at many of these pictures in the larger size transforms them, and the sensitive, thoughtful Fuchs drawing is no exception. I'd hope you would know by now that I would never set you up with a bad drawing that wasn't worth the extra look... <br /><br />Kev, your response gives me hope for the human race. I am going to print it out and sleep with it under my pillow tonight.<br /><br />Jesse, I agree with you 100% about that Fuchs book. <br /><br />अर्जुन, Fuchs went to Puerto Rico in 1970. I assume living conditions have improved in the last 39 years (although based on your comment about Carter I can tell you're the kind of guy who has a problem letting go...)David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-44235678518209711742009-09-01T07:07:30.066-04:002009-09-01T07:07:30.066-04:00...great blog and comments,
but hey, Jimmy Carter ......great blog and comments,<br />but hey, Jimmy Carter and the Pell Grant made the way for the Art Education I got!<br />D.H.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2674322377606636242009-09-01T04:02:22.216-04:002009-09-01T04:02:22.216-04:00"So reluctantly I dropped the more elegant En...<b>"So reluctantly I dropped the more elegant English spelling for the more blunt American spelling, 'draftsman.'"</b><br /><br />And now folks can accuse you of ignoring women!Jesse Hammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02253641550766389238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-58377618145249458982009-09-01T02:21:43.526-04:002009-09-01T02:21:43.526-04:00""...slums of San Juan. ...row of squat,...""...slums of San Juan. ...row of squat, ramshackle buildings."" --Apparently I should've done more planning before having booked my upcoming vacation.<br /><br />""Sad that so much political cartooning quickly becomes irrelevant, and therefore forgotten.""<br /><br />Even sadder is that the Carter stench won't go away!अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-70825422415087941552009-09-01T01:00:33.875-04:002009-09-01T01:00:33.875-04:00>>>Rob, how do you like the stray dog in ...>>>Rob, how do you like the stray dog in the foreground of the Fuchs drawing? (PS-- for years I spelled "draughtsman" the way you do and was accused of being pretentious or even downright unamerican. Some people even had trouble understanding what I meant. So reluctantly I dropped the more elegant English spelling for the more blunt American spelling, "draftsman.") <<<<br /><br />I was brung up in an English-speaking (and writing) household until I snuck out and became a 'merican.<br /><br />I learned reading and writing before I attended school, so I did it the way my Dad did it. Then began my de-education. I guess that I held onto draught as differentiated from what comes through the crack beneath the door and a nice draught of porter.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-68062515826573118752009-08-31T17:52:29.728-04:002009-08-31T17:52:29.728-04:00Fuchs is so overdue for a book collection that it ...Fuchs is so overdue for a book collection that it hurts.<br /><br /><b>"You don't hear his name a lot these days, but he did beautiful work."</b><br /><br />MacNelly's work was beautiful.<br /><br />Sad that so much political cartooning quickly becomes irrelevant, and therefore forgotten.Jesse Hammhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02253641550766389238noreply@blogger.com