tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post5785528241691981694..comments2024-03-28T13:34:12.139-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: ONE LOVELY DRAWING, part 39David Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-37654749232464697622012-03-15T13:46:31.697-04:002012-03-15T13:46:31.697-04:00Very nice work. I like the repetition.Very nice work. I like the repetition.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04010588244383698159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-89109412506489408482012-02-28T05:29:12.677-05:002012-02-28T05:29:12.677-05:00I'm not sure when Pyle drew this, but James Gu...I'm not sure when Pyle drew this, but James Guthrie made this painting...sbobet366.comhttp://sbobet366.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-9854232840120691482012-02-25T16:35:07.665-05:002012-02-25T16:35:07.665-05:00I really love the line, I love that style.I really love the line, I love that style.kozikozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13986087061565169076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79388501510901859852012-02-20T12:15:33.104-05:002012-02-20T12:15:33.104-05:00i needed thati needed thatGary Lockehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08551064249663717360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-35892012416367982872012-02-09T06:48:05.196-05:002012-02-09T06:48:05.196-05:00nice one....!!!
Business Researchnice one....!!!<br /><a href="http://bharatbook.com/" rel="nofollow">Business Research</a>market research bookhttp://bharatbook.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-42561858482741188782012-02-08T19:55:29.876-05:002012-02-08T19:55:29.876-05:00After many hours of strenuous mental labor, I came...After many hours of strenuous mental labor, I came up with the following formula, which should enter the text books.<br /><br />The difference between the fine art and illustration art:<br /> fine art- first you exhibit your originals, then if you are good,your works will be published;<br /> illustration art- first you publish your works, then if you are good,your originals will be exhibited.Reginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236418023967184285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-57762481812551195002012-02-07T07:57:52.787-05:002012-02-07T07:57:52.787-05:00Off Topic
Thought you get a kick out of this Davi...Off Topic<br /><br />Thought you get a kick out of this David<br /><br />Gerhard's off the Richter scale<br />"At a conference held before the opening of the Tate exhibition he said: “It’s just as absurd as the banking crisis. It’s impossible to understand, and it’s daft.”<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/artsales/9064935/Gerhards-off-the-Richter-scale.html<br /><br />I think people are trying to protect their wealth in hard assets but there still is a lot of truth in what he says.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04641223414745777056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2891537122540188812012-02-06T20:26:03.376-05:002012-02-06T20:26:03.376-05:00I'm not sure what to make of these various pic...I'm not sure what to make of these various pictures with similar subject matter. <br /><br />I am perfectly willing to believe that Pyle or Dunn saw one or more of these paintings and retained them in their mental data banks of images. I also believe that girls have knit while tending geese since the time of Homer, but they were never deemed a fitting subject for artists until the 19th century when the focus shifted away from royalty and gods, and became obsessed instead with the nobility of the peasantry. There seems to have been an era when artists positively stampeded toward such subjects. <br /><br />Unless you have a helicopter to get an aerial view, there are only so many angles for portraying a girl with geese. I'm not sure I would fault any of the artists we have discussed here for being derivative (any more than I would fault 50 landscape artists for including the same trees, grass and hills in their paintings).David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-71084975773829401172012-02-06T15:32:36.313-05:002012-02-06T15:32:36.313-05:00Pyle's geese made me also (like Matthew Harwo...Pyle's geese made me also (like Matthew Harwood's "Search by Image" program) think of oriental art. You have here everything: linear drawing, understated, very carefully balanced. I just don't know what to do with the sabots. Those the girl probably borrowed from Breton, Dunn or Dupre...Reginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14236418023967184285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-52172149074197924862012-02-04T12:23:21.531-05:002012-02-04T12:23:21.531-05:00I was just going to mention the clear influence of...I was just going to mention the clear influence of Breton on Dunn. Particularly his <a href="http://www.tineye.com/query/babe7b2252eb57482625133a994ce307d04500ba" rel="nofollow">Girl Driving Oxen</a> illo from the Prairie Wife in 1915, which, like several of his salt of the earth-themed <i>sun setting on a stoical farm hand with a stick tending a lumbering beast bolted to a plow</i> type works, has some of the same quality as Breton's Song of the Lark.<br /><br />Breton's influence on Dunn was a very good thing, imho.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-9071790249134880932012-02-04T06:58:14.528-05:002012-02-04T06:58:14.528-05:00Nice try guys… peasant girl, wearing sabots, knitt...Nice try guys… <a href="http://taotothetruth.blogspot.com/2012/02/inspired-by-4.html" rel="nofollow">peasant girl, wearing sabots, knitting, tending geese</a>.<br /><br />re:Guthrie/Dunn <br />Jules Breton's* <a href="http://www.artic.edu/aic/calendar/event?EventID=5432&Month=12_2008" rel="nofollow">The Song of the Lark</a> entered the The Art Institute of Chicago's collection in 1894. (Dunn studied there for 2 years.) One wonders what Dunn thought of it.<br /><br />see also ~ <a href="http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=15913" rel="nofollow">Berwickshire Field-workers 1884</a><br /><br />* "In my opinion, up to Millet and Jules Breton there was, however, always progress; but to surpass these two–don't even talk about it." ~ Vincent van Goghअर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11550131440808307302012-02-04T01:03:33.046-05:002012-02-04T01:03:33.046-05:00As an experiment, I used Google Images' new &q...As an experiment, I used Google Images' new "Search by Image" function (click the little camera in the box) to find similar images on the internet to Pyle's geese herding drawing. Interesting enough, the “visually similar images” link showed mostly flowchart diagrams and oriental text, which in a way makes sense since Pyle was abstracting the essence of the subject with the fewest number lines.Matthew Harwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734480582730495611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-8995892402532180432012-02-04T00:32:00.036-05:002012-02-04T00:32:00.036-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Matthew Harwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00734480582730495611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-64759199781760341192012-02-03T09:04:57.017-05:002012-02-03T09:04:57.017-05:00Great detective work, Chris. Guthrie was the Bast...Great detective work, Chris. Guthrie was the Bastien-Lepage disciple par excellence; no doubt about that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-48216056817594573342012-02-03T05:44:42.787-05:002012-02-03T05:44:42.787-05:00David Apatoff-- "It seems to me that the Pyle...David Apatoff-- "It seems to me that the Pyle and the Guthrie involve different aesthetics, poses, costumes, etc. but perhaps you disagree?"<br /><br />It’s certainly true that girls shooing geese was a common sight in those days and it may be no more than a coincidence. <br />But something else prompted me wonder about this; the similarity between a painting by one of Pyle’s contemporaries and another work by Guthrie.<br /><br />Harvey Dunn’s ‘The Prairie is my Garden’ and Guthrie’s ‘The Hind’s Daughter’ have a central figure and picture construction that leaves no doubt in my mind that Dunn had seen Guthrie’s picture a few years earlier. <br />I emailed Kev Ferrara about it. – He made an interesting observation about the dramatic theme being different although much was similar compositionally.chris bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02088693067960235141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-9625351618478130532012-02-02T16:43:16.978-05:002012-02-02T16:43:16.978-05:00Hi!I read Babel when I was a High School student. ...Hi!I read Babel when I was a High School student. I find him extremely realistic. <br />At that time you could not find Babel on the book shelves. I had to go through a lot of bureaucratic barriers in order to get an excess to the archive copy .<br />Babel is not an author to be read solitary in the quite of the archives. He was so brilliant and so politically incorrect.<br />I was truly upset that Babel's big mouth characters and the sunny streets of Odessa were imprisoned.Reginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-44285321788522159702012-02-02T16:42:19.521-05:002012-02-02T16:42:19.521-05:00Hi!I read Babel when I was a High School student. ...Hi!I read Babel when I was a High School student. I find him extremely realistic. <br />At that time you could not find Babel on the book shelves. I had to go through a lot of bureaucratic barriers in order to get an excess to the archive copy .<br />Babel is not an author to be read solitary in the quite of the archives. He was so brilliant and so politically incorrect.<br />I was truly upset that Babel's big mouth characters and the sunny streets of Odessa were imprisoned.Reginanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-36024355861577148342012-02-02T10:10:19.311-05:002012-02-02T10:10:19.311-05:00but perhaps you disagree?
David,
I was not trying...<i>but perhaps you disagree?</i><br /><br />David,<br />I was not trying to make any kind of "copycat" accusation; I certainly believe ideas can occur simultaneously, and a "copycat" accusation can sound a bit infantile, or, it's even possible that Guthrie was inspired by Pyle. However, from my perspective the Guthrie seems to be a more popular and well know image. I did go through an ardent 19th century fine art phase, where for a few years I had catalogue subscriptions to every Christie's and Sotheby's 19th Century sale worldwide, and based upon that sampling I would guess that a "girl with geese" theme, to say nothing of a frieze-like arrangement, is not as popular and frequent as one might think; however, I'll be the first to admit that my familiarity with what was going on in illustration during that period is comparatively meager.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-39818068818948554522012-02-02T09:23:27.363-05:002012-02-02T09:23:27.363-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-80206205456124311282012-02-01T23:55:00.540-05:002012-02-01T23:55:00.540-05:00Joyce-- yes, and he succeeded so often. He was re...Joyce-- yes, and he succeeded so often. He was really marvelous.<br /><br />Hoffman-- I agree, Photoshop is merely a tool, although a groundbreaking tool and one which some artists use brilliantly. Don't you also think, however, that it is a tool that can encourage sloth on the part of artists, or unfair expectations on the part of art directors? It creates temptations that other tools don't, and that require strength of character to resist.<br /><br />Jenny-- As I noted above in my response to Regina, I concur.<br /><br />StimmeDesHerzens-- I started posting my valentines when I ran out of time to both draw a valentine and write a blog post in the same week. You are very kind to remember. Perhaps if my day job cooperates I can be a little better organized this year.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-21553507081258224162012-02-01T23:41:12.184-05:002012-02-01T23:41:12.184-05:00Regina-- Well, we are glad to have you over here n...Regina-- Well, we are glad to have you over here now. Did you find Babel's book about Odessa true to life? I agree with Jenny, I never thought of this line of geese running like a sentence from left to right, but it seems to be one reason this headpiece is integrated so beautifully. Excellent notion.<br /><br />Rehan-- I agree. <br /><br />Coldmoon-- I am honored by your two hour investment, thanks very much. I do enjoy work of Moebius; I'm not sure I have anything new to bring to table with him (no high res images of original art, or unpublished drawings) but I may just succumb to temptation and write something anyway.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-85289633518717422052012-02-01T23:29:08.394-05:002012-02-01T23:29:08.394-05:00Etc, etc and Chris Bennett-- Pyle's book was p...Etc, etc and Chris Bennett-- Pyle's book was published in 1885. I don't know how long before that he started working on these illustrations. Guthrie painted his painting on another continent in 1883. What I infer from this is that on both continents it was common for girls to be put to work herding geese. If you look for "girl with geese" in google images you get over 3 million hits including many side views, such as <a href="http://www.art.com/products/p12367702-sa-i1738101/cecil-aldin-goose-girl-wearing-clogs-and-six-geese-led-by-a-dog-in-an-autumn-landscape.htm" rel="nofollow">this one</a> and <a href="http://image0-rubylane.s3.amazonaws.com/shops/antiquesoncanaanst/7103.1L.jpg" rel="nofollow">this one</a>. It seems to me that the Pyle and the Guthrie involve different aesthetics, poses, costumes, etc. but perhaps you disagree?<br /><br />Peter Dunlap-Shohl-- Thank you so much for your kind words.<br /><br />MORAN-- I agree, Pyle is fabulous, and still under rated today. He was very prolific and some of his work was spotty, but I have never seen a Frazetta painting that came close to impressing me the way that Pyle's "Attack on a Galleon" did.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-36316718910385344702012-02-01T13:33:05.712-05:002012-02-01T13:33:05.712-05:00Re:I think he was just making fun of me for someth...Re:I think he was just making fun of me for something I wrote about Peter Max's Rolls Royce.<br /><br />Well ok that explains that~ I was terribly awe-struck after I read that blip—(altho i figured that might be the norm for hi-powered NY attorneys). So it wasn’t a limo but a Rolls Royce; leave it to Rob (yes we miss him altho he was a tad conceited) to add the final touch to make the image devastatingly complete! Ach, now reality sets in! However you will always be my favorite writer, and my most favorite sleuth in finding the most exceptional art, which has now been confirmed with the individualistic geese in Howard Pyle’s illustration. I am looking forward to something as brilliant and touching in your valentine card....StimmeDesHerzenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15084934926989805342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-84709133790906817742012-01-31T17:39:22.218-05:002012-01-31T17:39:22.218-05:00"The last goose is singled out: period."..."The last goose is singled out: period." Exactly! I never thought of it like that but you are exactly spot on.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00137018447917798078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-86062568810443792352012-01-31T17:10:41.756-05:002012-01-31T17:10:41.756-05:00There's nothing wrong with Photoshop. It's...There's nothing wrong with Photoshop. It's a tool, like a paintbrush. It's what you do with it.<br /><br />- HoffmannAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com