tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post5863647950844316242..comments2024-03-28T12:26:00.040-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: THE NEXT GREAT ARTISTDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger331125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-20899613953185372032011-05-20T06:44:06.643-04:002011-05-20T06:44:06.643-04:00There seem to be many of them trying to become sta...There seem to be many of them trying to become stars instead. You can be a great artist without the wealth and celebrity lifestyle. In fact, I'd say it probably helps.plumbinghttp://www.bes.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-27763867113451452142010-12-24T20:42:29.756-05:002010-12-24T20:42:29.756-05:00I really admire designers,painters,persons who'...I really admire designers,painters,persons who's very good in any art.I admit i'm not one of them but i appreciate a lot the way each piece created.Double Glazinghttp://www.augustwindows.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-64846271940207476252010-08-13T16:27:36.078-04:002010-08-13T16:27:36.078-04:00Just watched the finale. At least a solid collecti...Just watched the finale. At least a solid collection built around figurative realism won out in the end.Aman Chaudharyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10024423868555959391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-33586221839774212312010-07-22T11:56:04.163-04:002010-07-22T11:56:04.163-04:00After seven episodes, I notice a distinct trend in...After seven episodes, I notice a distinct trend in the critiques...the emphasis is almost entirely on the emotional response to the work. I don't recall any reference to beauty or design. It certainly underscores the breach that has occurred in art.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-29128052945341339242010-07-19T13:36:19.560-04:002010-07-19T13:36:19.560-04:00Jesus H.R. Christ, Cynthia G., what kind of woman ...Jesus H.R. Christ, Cynthia G., what kind of woman ISN'T impressed by trolling as performance art? <br /><br />I think you're in sore need of checking thy self, lest ye wrecketh thy self.not here for youhttp://www.readmylips.nonewtaxes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-34265862864330993052010-07-04T22:52:30.423-04:002010-07-04T22:52:30.423-04:00Uh maybe next year... if I could get on it. ;-) I ...Uh maybe next year... if I could get on it. ;-) I haven’t read thru all the back and forth, but I think it will do on a small scale what American Idol does for it’s winners, some have record contracts and the some are doing dinner theater and parking cars. Miles might go someplace and maybe the kid who won last week. As you know in the fine art world talent is not an asset.william wrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06471366449711429780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-41787085110297345932010-07-03T23:24:42.780-04:002010-07-03T23:24:42.780-04:00Bill-- I can think of a variety of reasons for lik...Bill-- I can think of a variety of reasons for liking the show. I guess the question is, do you think it is likely to produce "The Next Great Artist"?David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-39098711434427567512010-07-03T21:32:37.972-04:002010-07-03T21:32:37.972-04:00I like the show.I like the show.william wrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06471366449711429780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-62832879181872794762010-06-24T05:12:42.933-04:002010-06-24T05:12:42.933-04:00Are you saying that this would be a good thing or ...Are you saying that this would be a good thing or a bad thing? (Assuming of course that the wonder of nature really does "provide it all" at a level comparable to or greater than art?)<br /><br /><br />i hadn't thought of it as good or bad. personally, i'd rather look at a landscape in reality than in a representation, so it seems like a healthy thing to me. i prefer art to go where the eyes can't... the stylized worlds of the imagination.Laurence Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11988700485839219253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-43007829997890910232010-06-23T01:55:13.536-04:002010-06-23T01:55:13.536-04:00Kev Ferrara wrote: "You went on a ride, David...Kev Ferrara wrote: "You went on a ride, David." <br /><br />True, but reading Huckleberry Finn is like going on a ride, too. Dante's Divine Comedy is another ride and it blows your mind as much as 6 Flags. You have to fasten your seat belt for the ride we call "Paradise Lost." So for me, the fact that the LIghtning Field is a ride doesn't distinguish it from art. I am open to the possibility that art is a temporary crutch, and that a thousand years from now if we behave ourselves we will have a heightened aesthetic appreciation of life and the world around us, without needing the stepping stones of an artist / intermediary's vision to serve as a catalyst. I think it was Pascal who said, "what folly that art excites admiration by its resemblance to things we do not even admire in the original." Perhaps art such as the lightning field is a first step toward cutting out the middle man.<br /><br />Laurence John wrote: you really don't need art anymore if the wonder of nature can provide it all for you."<br /><br />See my response to Kev above. Are you saying that this would be a good thing or a bad thing? (Assuming of course that the wonder of nature really does "provide it all" at a level comparable to or greater than art?)<br /><br />Etc, etc said: "I think we are innately drawn to straight lines because of their simple mathematical/geometric description, and to right angles due to a natural vertical/horizontal orientation,"<br /><br />I think the strongest case for this was the ancient Egyptians, who built a thousand year culture on x/y axes; the Nile river forming the north/south axis and the sun overhead forming the east/west axis. Life took place on the east side of the Nile where the sun came up and the dead were buried on the west side of the Nile where the sun set. I think that since that time, we have moved, to the extent that technology permits, in a more omni-directional form of artistic perception. <br /><br />I don't underestimate your point, and Kev's, about horizontals and verticals, etc. I also recognize that old modes of perception don't vanish overnight. (William Burroughs can say that he wants to banish the old form of the novel, which for 200 years was presented in a tidy, linear fashion, and to write about the world in the chaotic way we really experience it with our sense, where our thoughts drift randomly and our "linear" conversations are interrupted by a barking dog or a car horn. But we still read it from left to right). <br /><br />If you think that there is some kind of geometry innate in the world, I would urge you to consider one of the coolest things that Bertrand Russell ever said, which I quoted in an earlier post: "Physics is mathematical not because we know so much about the physical world but because we know so little: it is only its mathematical properties that we can discover."David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-47739195070036451232010-06-22T07:31:31.506-04:002010-06-22T07:31:31.506-04:00>>>Whereas I'm just a humble guy who ...>>>Whereas I'm just a humble guy who takes things at face value.<<<<br /><br />Yeah, and I'm just a plain ol' cowboy who can still sight translate Greek into Latin, but...aww shucks feller. <br /><br />Rather than try to bend the prevailing windbags of this blog to fit your tastes, why don't you just do what our host did, start your own blog. In that way you'll soon find how many people agree with your hectoring <i>...a la recherche du temps perdu</i> approach.<br /><br />Go ahead, start a blog. It's free and easy to do. <br /><br />Better yet, do as this writer did and start a subscription forum where artists actually pay money to learn those things about art you have yet to discover. Then again, could pony up a mere $70 a year to subscribe to the Cennini Forum to see how it's done.<br /><br />As you and so many others have pointed out, I'm nothing but a lacklustre hack and blowhard but, if an inferior artist and human such as myself can con people into paying to listen to my gaseous and brainless outbursts and learn how they too can become a lacklustre artist, certainly people of the quality of my detractors can EASILY draw a much bigger, paying audience.<br /><br />The latest stats on Cennini Forum are Threads: 10,303, Posts: 186,277, Members: 4,229 If I can do it, imagine what a luminous mind like yours can accomplish. <br /><br />Go ahead. Grow a pair and do it! While you're at it, post some of your work to embarass me by showing how a real artist does it. I'd love to read your books, too.<br /><br />Oh darn...that would mean breaking your vows of anonymity and coming out of the closet. But for you guys that would show who and what you really are...figments of your own imaginations.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-81761675570441251512010-06-21T17:28:26.375-04:002010-06-21T17:28:26.375-04:00Chas is a common troll posting under another name....Chas is a common troll posting under another name. Ignore him.Duke Shootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-80717727885235584192010-06-21T17:03:07.178-04:002010-06-21T17:03:07.178-04:00Wow, you sound like you've developed that into...Wow, you sound like you've developed that into something like an 'art form'.You've got some terminology an M.O, it's almost as if you're practised at this.<br />Whereas I'm just a humble guy who takes things at face value.<br />Even a dook chute like you.Chas Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-88255979028388139842010-06-21T16:44:52.396-04:002010-06-21T16:44:52.396-04:00Ha! Good try, Chas. But you're doing it wrong....Ha! Good try, Chas. But you're doing it wrong. If you want to grow up to be a real troll, simple insults, spelling corrections and google search references aren't good enough. You need to listen to what the object of your trolling is talking about and find a hook. Then ramp it up slowly so he doesn't realize he's being trolled. Look at Richard. He's done a much better job of it than you have.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-12300084234345848942010-06-21T16:23:43.135-04:002010-06-21T16:23:43.135-04:00But you see 'art form' and 'art forum&...But you see 'art form' and 'art forum' are 2 very different things -in case you didnt know- so I needed to know of which you spoke.<br /><br />But really if you can't see something as simple as that, any debate with you would be a waste of my valuable time.<br /><br />Especially as your stock in trade is a rather low and uninspired form of sarcasm.<br /><br />And your right, over 300 posts and enough crap for the likes of you to roll around in all day.<br /><br />Oh look there I go resorting to your level. I must desist.Chas Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2475772945287255032010-06-21T16:08:50.800-04:002010-06-21T16:08:50.800-04:00I'm afraid my iPad insists on correcting what ...I'm afraid my iPad insists on correcting what it sees as spelling errors. It isn't always correct.<br /><br />Alan Parsons Project? Good lord. They call it "art rock", but it's neither. Hideous.Stephen Worthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-23751847544429240552010-06-21T15:43:31.861-04:002010-06-21T15:43:31.861-04:00Chas Chas Chas --
Why do you persist? Now you mak...Chas Chas Chas --<br /><br />Why do you persist? Now you make an issue of a spelling error, like anybody cares. Seriously, stop complaining and just go away. We're 300 posts in and you could have left anytime.... you could have stopped reading anytime. But you don't... so something is clearly up your butt which is compelling you to stay. Whatever it is, get over it.<br /><br />Shavian addenda: Those that merely complain are the worst of the worst.Arthur Formernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-22585580787867064172010-06-21T14:48:31.579-04:002010-06-21T14:48:31.579-04:00An 'art form'?
or possibly, 'forum...An 'art form'? <br />or possibly, 'forum'.<br />Believe me there IS a difference.<br /><br />It's that old Shavian dictum.<br />Those that can, paint; those that can't make lifeless photographic portraits and crap about on 'art forums' trying to come off like a big shot.Chas Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13359252982645914252010-06-21T12:32:01.779-04:002010-06-21T12:32:01.779-04:00I'll continue,
We have already been able to d...I'll continue,<br /><br />We have already been able to decode and record information from a cat's vision.<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10479703<br /><br />We can stream sound into the brain with Cochlear implants, and are most of the way towards visual prosthesises. <br /><br />We can even *buy* personal systems that allow for basic text input by way of the brain alone --<br />http://www.intendix.com/<br /><br /><br />How much more of an evidence trend do you need?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-48690299213690856202010-06-21T11:38:18.436-04:002010-06-21T11:38:18.436-04:00"thankfully it's too preposterous an idea..."thankfully it's too preposterous an idea to realize."<br /><br />What's preposterous about recording experiential data? <br /><br />What's preposterous about input by way of direct thought? <br /><br />Do you really not see why we would work towards these things -- the benefits that would come with these technologies?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-41219588841966483182010-06-21T11:18:17.944-04:002010-06-21T11:18:17.944-04:00अर्जुन said...
(pyramid power, anyone?)
That was ...अर्जुन said...<br />(pyramid power, anyone?)<br /><br />That was hilarious/awesome.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-50950646305132582772010-06-21T07:08:07.013-04:002010-06-21T07:08:07.013-04:00Apparently many of you are unaware that the conten...Apparently many of you are unaware that the content of historiographic material left to us by artists consists almost entirely of philosophical musings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-53368009407539707482010-06-21T03:42:56.176-04:002010-06-21T03:42:56.176-04:00(pyramid power, anyone?)~ If all things must pass,...(pyramid power, anyone?)~ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsbDogYDWKc" rel="nofollow">If all things must pass, even a pyramid won't last</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfNaTmcYqvs&feature=related" rel="nofollow">Bobby Analog</a> said- ""They simply do not understand that mastering the skills of the artist are what helps form the ideas."" <br />~ The technique depends mainly on arm and finger strength… <a href="http://www.billsienkiewiczart.com/onalbumcovers.asp" rel="nofollow">(cover art by Bill Sienkiewicz)</a>अर्जुनhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14724439749828805512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-34071245911727957582010-06-21T02:59:09.720-04:002010-06-21T02:59:09.720-04:00>>I am intrigued as well but I fear that wit...>>I am intrigued as well but I fear that without some standards you are bound for disappointment.<<<br /><br />David, will I be any more disappointed than after seeing my gazillioneth fantastically rendered head along with its accompanying accolades? I suspect, just as in other fields, the cream will rise to the top and we will recognize it as Art. <br /><br />Kev, whatever the definition of Art is, I didn't think I had to qualify that the delight or enjoyment was an aesthetic pleasure much different than savoring a delicious meal or reveling in a good game nor was I limiting its effect to just those three words.LCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171368295442228859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-72592033796310860812010-06-20T23:59:18.387-04:002010-06-20T23:59:18.387-04:00LCG, I think you confuse Art with Design. All art ...LCG, I think you confuse Art with Design. All art is designed, but not all design results in an artwork. (wallpaper, for instance.)<br /><br />Design has always been wide open. Art, less so.<br /><br />Your criteria that art "delight, amuse or stimulate us" can just as easily apply to a basketball or scrabble game or a demonstration of an industrial laser. Thus "delighting, amusing, and stimulating" can not be the sole criteria for art. <br /><br />Again, sensation is different than aesthetic emotion.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.com