tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post7377679108379100050..comments2024-03-28T16:44:09.428-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: JOHN CUNEO: AIMING FOR AN INVISIBLE TARGETDavid Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-48954076316650465762010-04-30T10:33:12.099-04:002010-04-30T10:33:12.099-04:00Cuneo's Brilliant!
An amazing draftsman who l...Cuneo's Brilliant! <br />An amazing draftsman who lets his pencil roam under the mighty control of his imagination.<br /> He makes drawing look so easy. Its almost as if he's not really trying. THATS HOW GOOD he is.... He's.. "not really trying to draw" drawing.<br /> NOt many illustrators can do this! Awesome~TThomas Fluhartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469784204647841043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-18328056355931371572010-04-15T06:19:47.160-04:002010-04-15T06:19:47.160-04:00That was so funny, i loved it. and illustrations a...That was so funny, i loved it. and illustrations are so to the point:)<br />good work keeping up this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79985393596391535512010-03-25T04:11:34.098-04:002010-03-25T04:11:34.098-04:00Cuneo is one of my great heroes.Cuneo is one of my great heroes.Oscar Grillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14181976107304288464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13477278195223134662010-03-24T20:00:04.250-04:002010-03-24T20:00:04.250-04:00Liebesreime wrote: "Weimar"
Et tu, Leib...Liebesreime wrote: "Weimar"<br /><br />Et tu, Leibesreime?<br /><br />A general reader wrote: "I would like to point out that nobody has to like Rob Howard, John Cuneo, or anybody else's work....<br />I'm just a general reader who likes this blog.... Do any of you understand the idea of a general audience for artwork of any kind? ....I'll let you in on a little secret--the guy who runs this blog is just such a person!"<br /><br />Exactly! I personally think that some of the most illuminating comments have been made by scientists, mathematicians, unrepentant lechers, spoiled children and experts on Indian gods. I love the cross fertilization that takes place here, just as I think art has historically benefitted more from a robust cross fertilization than from a rareified exchange between PhDs in art history. <br /><br />Joss wrote: "And yet.... a blog about illustration, art, aesthetics, that gets people so stirred up, that is the opposite of pathetic."<br /><br />Joss, I have to agree with you there (although I suspect that it is more the art displayed than the blog that stirs people up-- what do you expect when you show pictures by a guy who "draws like a pervert"?) I am not fond of the gratuitous personal trashing, but I don't mind one bit when people put on brass knuckles to discuss aesthetics. <br /> <br />Rob Howard wrote: "Illustration is not fine art" <br /><br />Rob, do you intend that as a compliment to illustration? I might just go along with you on that....David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-37186312907967491002010-03-24T16:11:44.043-04:002010-03-24T16:11:44.043-04:00LOL!LOL!LOL!http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/l/lol_cat-12926.jpgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-66952268052123375862010-03-24T14:38:19.658-04:002010-03-24T14:38:19.658-04:00Rob Howard,
Uhh, for the same reason that entranc...Rob Howard,<br /><br /><i>Uhh, for the same reason that entrance to the Men's Room is limited to men. Nothing sexist about it.</i><br /><br />Yeah, both you and your work belong in the toilet. Here's hoping that God pulls the chain.<br /><br /><i>Serious artists find the information and guidance well worth the money, as they have found with my books. For those who wish to get a taste of what's in the main forum, there is a section open to visitors at http://tiny.cc/cennino</i><br /><br />Looks like this little forum cleared out a LONG time ago. From other websites that reference your obnoxious behavior, It's easy to see why. There can't be more than a couple of hundred susbscribers at the most, and that's probably way too generous an estimate.<br /><br />I also noticed that the active user counter oversetimates the number of people currently on the site by a factor of 2.<br /><br />I also noticed that you are responsible for the vast majority of posts and responses. Must be lonely at the bottom.<br /><br /><i>It's moderated so there are no trolls hurling verbal turds. No troll is so dedicated that they'd ever spend a farthing to spew their bile. Trolls are cheapskates.</i><br /><br />You are a turd.<br /><br />Why should people pay to be abused by a turd?<br /><br /><i>If you really and truly are interested in more than blustering fools like "Joe" or the passive-aggressive Miss Manners types who correct what is foreign to their parochial understanding of the art world</i><br /><br />You mean like you?<br /><br />What art world do you belong to, Mr. Illustration Jobber? You state the illustration isn't art, call yourself an illustrator, and then claim to be an artist and a member of the art world!<br /><br />Clown.<br /><br /><i>Another site you might want to see is http://tiny.cc/robswork which has a bit about who you are talking to and a few examples.</i><br /><br />I see that you copy photos. Why not just sell yourself as a photographer? Oh, because the word "artist" carries more weight--like your midsection.<br /><br />What a ridiculous nutcase you are. Also, being fat and a moron, you make an easy target.A General Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-34815249980507541302010-03-24T14:26:23.421-04:002010-03-24T14:26:23.421-04:00RE: Joe, I don't see anything you've added...RE: Joe, I don't see anything you've added that is inconsistent with my point. It should not surprise anyone that communists were opposed to both Nazis and Wiemar democrats,<br /><br />"Weimar"<br />To Mr. Cuneo, welcome to D's blog.<br />LStimmeDesHerzenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15084934926989805342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-29889633925671214402010-03-24T13:47:45.483-04:002010-03-24T13:47:45.483-04:00Re: Also, thank you for dusting off muliebrity, a ...Re: Also, thank you for dusting off muliebrity, a verbal gem if there ever was one. More pearls cast before the Protestant Work Ethic!<br /><br />Despite my question in a previous post described at the level of being a "Twinkie", I remain fond of Rob H. tho I still think with his 'virile' and rich & talented verbosity, he should change his profile image.<br />Out comes my Webster's New International Dictionary:<br />muliebrity- L(atin) muliebritas- belonging to a woman 1. state of being a woman or of possessing full womanly powers; womanhood;--correlative of virility<br /><br />lovely post, fabulous writing as usual, neat topic, all is well, <br />your liebesreimeStimmeDesHerzenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15084934926989805342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-89783686604910797872010-03-24T01:38:28.684-04:002010-03-24T01:38:28.684-04:00Where did Joe Keefers go?
Can we have another blo...Where did Joe Keefers go?<br /><br />Can we have another blog post please David. Withdrawal symptoms...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-28654077305704564022010-03-23T12:56:38.667-04:002010-03-23T12:56:38.667-04:00I agree with A General Reader.
As an occasional ob...I agree with A General Reader.<br />As an occasional observer, it seems to me that Mr howard seeks to define the terms of discourse on the forums he organises as well as this one.<br />I've also noted this 'foam flecked' phrase crop up several times in reference to others but have the sense that the consistently fanatical/hysterical/swivel-eyed tone of his own comments suggests it could be self-referential.<br />Psychiatric assistance may be required for this form of Tourettes.Chris Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13672585121414272832010-03-23T12:29:19.105-04:002010-03-23T12:29:19.105-04:00>>>then why should the discussion be limi...>>>then why should the discussion be limited to illustrators alone?<<<<br /><br />Uhh, for the same reason that entrance to the Men's Room is limited to men. Nothing sexist about it.<br /><br />The same with a blog tatled Illustration Art. Illustration is not fine art and does not neccessarily hold with the same criteria. Thus, bring your mindset from fine arts to viewing illstration is bound to give you the warped view you have been demonstrating in your labored posts.<br /><br />As for agreeing with me, I'd find nothing more disagreeable than to have you or Joe ever agree with me.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2316337158746918692010-03-23T12:22:19.070-04:002010-03-23T12:22:19.070-04:00>>>Maybe you should start your own blog w...>>>Maybe you should start your own blog where you could limit all commentors to those whose "portfolios" you approve of, and who have no aim higher than illustration jobbing<<<<br /><br />If you really and truly are interested in more than blustering fools like "Joe" or the passive-aggressive Miss Manners types who correct what is foreign to their parochial understanding of the art world, you are more than welcome to join an impressive line-up of working painters and highly skilled amateurs at http://tiny.cc/cennini<br /><br />There is absolutely no foam-flecked invective at that website because, you have to subscribe and pay money for the information contained therein. Serious artists find the information and guidance well worth the money, as they have found with my books. For those who wish to get a taste of what's in the main forum, there is a section open to visitors at http://tiny.cc/cennino . It's moderated so there are no trolls hurling verbal turds. No troll is so dedicated that they'd ever spend a farthing to spew their bile. Trolls are cheapskates. In truth, most of the people on the Web are the anthesis of art lovers -- cheapskates or bargain hunters. Their mall mentality is painfully obvious. Ask them whether their art budget approaches what they spend on McDonalds and you'll get silence.<br /><br />Another site you might want to see is http://tiny.cc/robswork which has a bit about who you are talking to and a few examples. For a random batch of different projects and even a glimpse of how this other half lives, click on http://tiny.cc/slidesho for a slideshow of all sorts of stuff.<br /><br />Now, as we used to say when we were kids playing <i>doctor</i>...I've shown you mine. Now you show me yours.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-5215089838386818562010-03-23T12:20:28.176-04:002010-03-23T12:20:28.176-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11145346329212340632010-03-23T11:47:52.822-04:002010-03-23T11:47:52.822-04:00And last, John Cuneo and illustrators are illustra...And last, John Cuneo and illustrators are illustrating for a general audience. If the whole point is to reach out and appeal to a general audience, then why should the discussion be limited to illustrators alone? It makes no sense at all, unless it's to exclude anybody who disagrees with you.A General Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-56498088696429671282010-03-23T11:25:45.145-04:002010-03-23T11:25:45.145-04:00Rob Howard,
Joe Keefers never talked about his ow...Rob Howard,<br /><br />Joe Keefers never talked about his own work. He was talking exclusively about other people's work. Which, if the idea of a general audience were allowed by the fragile egos around here, would be just fine. But somehow it isn't.<br /><br />Second, your point about the "false idealism" of young or hobby artists is again beside the point. That's your pet peeve, and it has nothing to do with allowing the opinions of a general audience into the discussion. In fact, its a huge narrowing of the people allowed to comment to only those who are long-time illustrators or easel painters. I think that's absurd! Especially since you yourself rated your professional output as mediocre jobbing.<br /><br />Where do these criteria for commenting leave the owner of the blog, since he is neither a commerical artist and he thinks that illustration is not merely decoration, but rises to fine art?<br /><br />Maybe you should start your own blog where you could limit all commentors to those whose "portfolios" you approve of, and who have no aim higher than illustration jobbing.<br /><br />Its a great suggestion, but somehow I suspect that any commentary that doesn't agree with your own would be dismissed by other subjective, non-applicable criteria. Because it's not about excluding the uninformed idealist, but anybody who disagrees with your opinion.<br /><br />Luckily, the owner of this blog doesn't limit the discussion to only those who have a "portfolio". And further still, he doesn't limit the commentators to only Rob Howard. For that reason alone, he is to be regarded as highly intelligent.A General Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-50955543209777082082010-03-23T09:33:02.780-04:002010-03-23T09:33:02.780-04:00I guess I thought this was a forum for anyone inte...I guess I thought this was a forum for anyone interested in art and ideas.I didnt realise the only opinions that really counted or had any value were those of practising artists.<br />And what's with all this constant bickering and sniping?Chris T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-81521695387014920582010-03-23T07:19:41.576-04:002010-03-23T07:19:41.576-04:00>>>I would like to point out that nobody ...>>>I would like to point out that nobody has to like Rob Howard, John Cuneo, or anybody else's work.<<<<br /><br />Even I don't defend Rob Howard's work. I just do it and get paid for every finished piece I do. After that, it's out there on it's own and I don't really worry what happens to it or what anyone thinks of it (just as long as I get more opportunities to work and be paid).<br /><br />Ego involvement is something we should leave to wannabes and hobbyists, and all of the cloying false morality that gets attached to artwork is inappropriate to what it really is.<br /><br />Just as that priapic passion at the beginning of a marriage is seldom there in equal measure at the golden anniversary, the inflamed (one might even say, engorged) passion of the amateur and beginning artist looks at their artwork unrealistically -- as having much more social, moral and spiritual weight than it does. <br /><br />For the most part, 95% of all of the PROFESSIONAL artwork produced is merely decorative effects applied to another medium (books, architecture, etc.) and even higher percentage of hobbyist's work doesn't even get to be applied to even the most homely of projects. Faced with a situation in which their art has no applicable use, those marginal artists are driven to inflate its worth with all sorts of intangible ascriptions of honor. From that never ending supply of self-aggrandizing bullshit arise the all-to-common bullshit artist who, like "Joe" is willing to discuss this ephemeral and lofty bar yet is also unwilling to ever show any of their own work for fear that it is in that 99% of artwork soon to be discarded or burned.<br /><br />There is a great freedom to be had by releasing those ridiculous ideas that somehow, somewhere, your artwork has lasting and profound meaning (go over to Lulu and see the self-published titles and their descriptions to see that the vast majority of "writers" are mere typists). Psychologists could view having ego attachments to your scribblings or paintings as a form of derangement.<br /><br />Standing on a soapbox as "Joe" does is clearly such a sign. He's clearly distressed by some demons he carries inside and cannot expunge. For him, I can only point him to the sayings of the great modern philosopher, McFerrin, when he said..."don't worry. Be Happy." It's just that simple. Adopt that simple approach and your bowels and spleen will thank you. So will the people you have been battering.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-74984788140042528522010-03-23T03:13:35.473-04:002010-03-23T03:13:35.473-04:00And yet.... a blog about illustration, art, aesth...And yet.... a blog about illustration, art, aesthetics, that gets people so stirred up, that is the opposite of pathetic. <br /><br />I love to see an artist loosen up, while retaining a high level of emotional intensity and character. Cuneo's work manages to be both dark and gleeful at once. I find the awkwardness to be expressive, a trait I appreciate in Grosz also. For me drawing "properly" only entails emotional intensity and character. I do think that requires hard work and dedication, but I am amazed at many artists who convey it without the skill of realistic drawing. I personally love realistic drawing, but people should only do it if they are interested in that effect to express what they want, or to get a job that requires it.Josshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18396610569402016319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-60948236330656125422010-03-23T01:45:39.185-04:002010-03-23T01:45:39.185-04:00I would like to point out that nobody has to like ...I would like to point out that nobody has to like Rob Howard, John Cuneo, or anybody else's work.<br /><br />I would also like to point out that whenever somebody disagrees with somebody else, the First Amendment doesn't state that there will be a "portfolio shootout" at high noon to determine who is right or wrong.<br /><br />I'm just a general reader who likes this blog. I'm pretty shocked at the level of immature behavior and posturing that goes on here regularly. It's pretty pathetic. You would think that visual artists all have the most paper-thin egos imaginable, as well as an inability to recognize a larger world that exists beyond the drawing board.<br /><br />Do any of you understand the idea of a general audience for artwork of any kind? You know, the people who go to art shows, museums, concerts, etc, and who have some other job? I'll let you in on a little secret--the guy who runs this blog is just such a person! I guess the next step will be to demand his art portfolio to save somebody's bloated ego the horror of having to deal with an opposing opinion. <br /><br />You people really know how to ruin a good conversation. I bet you're all real fun at parties! Now wonder you all stalk this blog trying to be the last man standing.<br /><br />How amazingly pathetic.A General Readernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-36097658771505174212010-03-22T20:22:07.365-04:002010-03-22T20:22:07.365-04:00I'd like to point out that, when Joe devalued ...I'd like to point out that, when Joe devalued Rob's comments based on his opinion of Rob's art, Joe made his own artistic accomplishments (or lack thereof) fair game.<br />So...c'mon....let's see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-68944205038687532992010-03-22T17:20:03.367-04:002010-03-22T17:20:03.367-04:00Hey, who's gonna pay to clean Joe's foam f...Hey, who's gonna pay to clean Joe's foam flecks from the front of my trousers? Will it be covered by Obamacare? I hopes that Joe's confinement and treatment will be covered by it.<br /><br />Oh Joe, as we say over in ArtistLand...show me your pictures or STFU. I suspect you might be able to draw a breath but there ends your artistry. No, Big Mouth, no rejoinders. Put me down and tell everyone to stuff it by pointing us to some of your breathtaking artwork.<br /><br />Yeah, I thought so.Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-39179169831563994652010-03-22T17:10:03.927-04:002010-03-22T17:10:03.927-04:00Hey Joe, when you wrote "No refernce to the H...Hey Joe, when you wrote "No refernce to the Hirshorn, I see" you misspelled not only reference but Hirshhorn too.JSLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-58602207950571266082010-03-22T15:04:23.142-04:002010-03-22T15:04:23.142-04:00I really like the close-ups of the watercolours - ...I really like the close-ups of the watercolours - there's a pure intention there to layer delicate colour upon delicate colour. It's so intense!<br /><br />The brush tip quivering millimetres from the page!<br /><br />Augh! Please tell me you actually own the original.Carmichealnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-51718758249294320522010-03-22T13:17:36.174-04:002010-03-22T13:17:36.174-04:00So, in conclusion, Apatoff reneges on his promise....So, in conclusion, Apatoff reneges on his promise.<br />The others think John Cuneo deserves his own museum.<br />All the buttinskis have been swatted like flies.<br />And I'm the witless one?<br />Well, by the crazy logic of this forum I suppose I would be.<br /><br />And I can't believe the moron-in- chief would use the most hackneyed tactic of all time to try to find some cheap point to score.<br />To coin a phrase,you're boring me witless.Joe Keefersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-24660561811825292052010-03-22T12:55:30.114-04:002010-03-22T12:55:30.114-04:00David, once again a great read. Thank you!
Joe, w...David, once again a great read. Thank you!<br /><br />Joe, won't you be so kind as to publish your details on here? A blog, or online portfolio. A thesis you've had published elsewhere? Or even just a real name.<br /><br />A person's opinions tend to have more weight when they are underlined by said person's experiences and achievements. <br />I suspect you have very little of either - the only reasonable explanation for such witless, anonymous vitriol.Luminous Anonymityhttp://www.cciba.sun.ac.za/noreply@blogger.com