tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post7453896876778090087..comments2024-03-28T05:04:06.624-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: WARRING WITH TROLLS, part 5David Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-29793231284689033352015-12-11T18:07:29.209-05:002015-12-11T18:07:29.209-05:00I wouldn't rely too much on Solomon's biog...I wouldn't rely too much on Solomon's biography of Rockwell for anything but very basic factual material. Her book is a very poor excuse for a true biography. It is sad that she wrote this because it will be used as reference in the future.<br /><br />Paul SullivanPaul Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07953800994005887026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79502300613018845762013-12-17T14:55:36.605-05:002013-12-17T14:55:36.605-05:00Richard, crazy story. Thanks for sharing. Richard, crazy story. Thanks for sharing. kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-21588005344742053552013-12-17T06:13:26.446-05:002013-12-17T06:13:26.446-05:00When I say, what "we" call capitalism, I...When I say, what "we" call capitalism, I should be more specific: what the 21st century republican party seems to believe capitalism is, which sounds more and more like the views of Ayn Rand. There are many things that are still called capitalism in europe and would be called socialism in the USA (though we are shifting to the "right" too).<br /><br />By the way, Graeber's book on the history of debt starts by calling to attention that the story about the origin of money that we are still taught in school is not a fact but a reasonable thought experiment proposed by Adam Smith in TWoN; a hypothesis later disproved by better knowledge of anthropology and history. This opens immense new possibilities, whether or not you have anarchist inclinations like the author. <br /><br />Another interesting avenue is the new reading of the very bad historical press for Athenian Democracy (coming to us from aristocratic sympathizers, from Thucydides to the founding fathers). What we call democracy is terribly distant from the Athenian thing, and not only in the obvious way of not being "direct". Interesting reads on this are for instance "Athens on trial" by J.T.Roberts, or, very quickly, these talks by D. Kagan (lecture 15 and 16) who wrote "Pericles of Athens":<br /><br />http://oyc.yale.edu/classics/clcv-205/lecture-15<br /><br />The important thing is not so much that our systems are bad, much less that there is a ready-made "-ism" that would do just the trick, but simply that we've have a narrowing of the political imagination (think Thatcher's "There is No Alternative") that makes us think of many day-to-day things as "just the way things are" when they are in fact political choices.<br /><br /> Even if we choose to be just mild reformers, and to keep our system a representative democracy/ capitalist economy, this can be implemented in many ways, and thinking about completely out-there possibilities like anarchism(s), socialism(s), libertarianim(s), or even, dare I say, Democracy (that maligned and forgotten system of Athens that had never existed before and never existed again :)) can give us ideas of new ways of doing things, or at least of a proper sense of where we really stand in a vast territory. Personally, I don't feel much like implementing any "-ism", but I do think that (much in the vein of the second Roosevelt) we should at least have the guts to tentatively experiment and "perturbate" our system in difficult times rather than sit our asses in our comfortable "there is no alternative" seats while a whole generation of young people are screwed out of a decent future.<br /><br />Further, in small scales (say, your little commune) that won't harm anyone except the volunteers involved, I very much favor much more radical experimentation in all directions that those volunteers deem fit. I think you learn things, even if only about what doesn't work.António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-764345616535695502013-12-17T05:31:18.078-05:002013-12-17T05:31:18.078-05:00Richard: Oh, no, not from *his* brand of capitalis...Richard: Oh, no, not from *his* brand of capitalism. The "wealth of nations" is a very enjoyable read (even, amazingly, when it gets into accounting minutiae of how many bushels of whatever were consummed per year in some place or other) extremely well written, very well argued, and stands the test of time surprisingly well - he is the sort of guy whose work takes whole generations to pick apart and develop. Further, Adam Smith sounds like a pretty nice, decent fellow (people sometimes forget he also wrote "the theory of moral sentiments"). I ended the book liking him (and it) even more than I expected.<br /><br />So what is the problem? The problem is that he *doesn't* advocate the kind of deregulated gangsterism that we now call capitalism. You could say His name is used in vain by "His" church. The book is not a long proposal of the "invisible hand" (mentioned in only one or two passages)of the market as a panacea for every problem on the face of the world. It makes very clear that a market is a thing that can easily be derailed and that needs to be intelligently regulated and kept in check. <br /><br />His general attitude is well summed up in this amusing passage: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."<br /><br />More seriously, he warns about many of the same problems we have today:<br />-That it is specious that high profits are seen as good but high wages are seen as "inefficiencies", when profits are in fact proxies for the "wages" of owners or managers<br />-That (the equivalent of) corporations will have managers whose interests are not aligned with either the company's or the public interest.(and therefore, he thought, such entities should only be allowed to exist for very specific purposes). Imagine the horror of, say, Tatcher, to even thinking that "public interest" is "a thing"!<br />-That companies can become states within states; and petty absolutist states at that (because within a "private" company mostly any rule goes).<br />-That the division of labour is very efficient in production BUT that it destroys people and turns them the into stupid cogs and therefore the state must regulate to keep it from excess.(people usually quote the first part of this and never read further into the book to get at the second part)<br /><br />Briefly, he was a figure from the Enlightenment, a pre-capitalist, rather than an apologist of Capitalism proper. He clearly would abhor what we now call capitalism.<br /><br />Also, there is the fact that I had tried reading Marx's Capital many years before and had balked at "his" labor theory of value. This communist hogwash undermines the whole thing, I thought, and never made it to the second volume! In my ignorance I didn't know that this actually came from Adam Smith. When, to my shock, I found myself recognizing it in the wealth of nations, I guess that this opened my mind to other possibilities. I'm slowly getting the nerve to re-read Marx. I don't recall him as enjoyable, but I should probably get that perspective too.<br /><br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-58000628648130963542013-12-16T17:12:20.794-05:002013-12-16T17:12:20.794-05:00I'm out of stories, but I feel like I've a...I'm out of stories, but I feel like I've at least derailed the argument, and have thus been successful.<br /><br />Antonio, what was it about Adam Smith's work that so shy'd you away from his brand of capitalism?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-64654381574073563322013-12-16T16:57:09.348-05:002013-12-16T16:57:09.348-05:00I'd wanted to go to Ringling, but could never ...I'd wanted to go to Ringling, but could never afford that level of arts education, and after a single semester at a state school (with professors who simply didn't know what they were doing) I realized I'd have to rely on myself, and the information I could get for free. Theres a moderately good arts college in Philadelphia called the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts, and I spent a lot of time at and around the school trying to soak up what I could from the friends I made there, but I could never afford to actually go. At the time I was working as a waiter by day, and renting room in the basement of a friends house, so there was nothing significant to lose by leaving. Still, I suppose there's time to try to go back, I'm only in my mid-20s, but I just don't see it happening, not now that I have a family.<br /><br />My attachment to Communism was romantic. The literature didn't seem important in the face of the desperate groveling poverty all around me in Philadelphia, I assumed that with adequate social spending programs these people could be lifted from their poverty, and the only thing keeping them there was the greed and ignorance of capitalists. I've known people like your friend, and never understood the draw. It seemed like a lot of talk without any action.<br /><br />>The imagination reels thinking of how "Little Johnnie" gave you a scare enough to send you packing. Was this one of those guys you greet and befriend because you're open-minded and free of prejudice, and then the extent of how damaged they are quickly over-rides any other consideration and all you want to do is get as clear of them as possible?<br /><br />Haha, that's about right. I had talked to him a number of times, and was pretty impressed by his poetry, and the people he said he had known around SF in the 1970s (Ginsberg, etc.). We were walking around, and he invited me up to his state-paid effeciency while he grabbed a couple things. <br /><br />Once inside I immediately noticed the place was coated in bloodstains and the floors littered in spent needles, and I should add that coated and littered here are not hyperbole. You didn't know where to step, it was everywhere. <br /><br />He then stood between me and the door, and began to interrogate me on whether or not I was a Nazi (I shave my head because I'm a premature balder, XD), then he screamed and cried for a bit about how Nazis killed his daddy and that his life dream is to kill a Nazi. He began to suggest that there was a luger in the cushion of the chair I was sitting in, and that if I got up he'd shoot me with it. <br /><br />I asked to go to the bathroom and climbed out the second story window and ran away, while hearing him scream from the other side of the door. IT WAS FRIGHTENING. I guess I shouldn't say that's the reason I left, but it was the straw that broke the camels back without a doubt.<br /><br />>I'd count it time well spent just to get those names into your auto-biography's cast of characters. :)<br /><br />I'm a little young to be thinking about an auto-biography, although I guess this post is becoming one. X______X<br />Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-64378642224602292762013-12-16T12:32:40.232-05:002013-12-16T12:32:40.232-05:00Surfer Dad Coyote, Little Johnny homeless, and the...Surfer Dad Coyote, Little Johnny homeless, and the wood nymph? I'd count it time well spent just to get those names into your auto-biography's cast of characters. :)<br /><br /><br /><br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-27081423274611607652013-12-16T11:15:14.457-05:002013-12-16T11:15:14.457-05:00So, it sounds like you were really at loose ends w...So, it sounds like you were really at loose ends when you received the phone call to join the commune. I assume by this time you had already gone to college for art and illustration? Or had the college art thing not panned out? <br /><br />Before your adventure, did you have a kind of romantic attachment to Communism? Or were you the kind who was hard-core reading the literature and it was serious business to you?<br /><br />I knew an exchange student from Poland who was kind of driven crazy by Communism. He was hard core, had been born to it as a religion, had grown up under it, only to have the wall fall and his belief system crumble around him. But it remained a constant fire in his mind, even as he came over here to go to school on some kind of State Department scholarship program, which he completely scammed for years. I have never met anyone before or since who hated the U.S. more. Any conversation about politics ended up exploding into screaming and, literally, spitting. (He would spit on any U.S. flag he walked past.) Anyway, his place was the hub of all the communist activism in the upstate NY area, and he had this whole network of communist fellows that stretched across the world who he kept in contact with. His place was so stocked with communist literature, the book piles were literally falling over. Every shelf was packed two-deep. He believed every conspiracy theory there was about the U.S. -- Except the idea of actually getting a useful education in order to better one's station in life. From the age of 20-29, he became an absolute master of communist propaganda, spending most of his waking hours immersed in communism. In that time he could've earned 2 college degrees, and gotten himself a decent middle class life. But instead he became an unemployable activist who raged at anybody who owned a business, wore a suit, or had his own car. <br /><br />The imagination reels thinking of how "Little Johnnie" gave you a scare enough to send you packing. Was this one of those guys you greet and befriend because you're open-minded and free of prejudice, and then the extent of how damaged they are quickly over-rides any other consideration and all you want to do is get as clear of them as possible?kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-32294286719882215212013-12-16T08:39:48.164-05:002013-12-16T08:39:48.164-05:00I actually didn't find the commune myself; a f...I actually didn't find the commune myself; a friend of mine called me one night and asked if I wanted to go to New Mexico. I'd never been past the Mississippi, so I agreed, and she said "Great, I'm picking you up in two hours." She was driving out there with a middle-aged divorced surfer dad who called himself Coyote, who apparently had moved to Hawaii after his divorce and gone native, I believe she met on the internet, and I think he knew about the commune.<br /><br />Not a lot more of note happened at the commune, but a few days after I met the wood-nymph, a friend of mine from Michigan hitched into Taos and we ended up hitch-hiking from there up to Las Vegas, then over to LA, then up Highway 1 into SF, and over the Golden Gate to Strawberry CA. <br /><br />We were planning on going up into Canada, but that never happened; we ended up staying in Berkeley CA, mostly hanging around People's Park and talking to college girls -- nothing particularly of note. I ended up taking a Greyhound back to Philadelphia for Christmas after a scare with a strange little homeless man named "Little Johnnie" who hangs around The Mission, and my buddy has lived in Berkeley ever since.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-51897061576019183572013-12-14T15:31:21.742-05:002013-12-14T15:31:21.742-05:00>talking about conspiracy >theories, communi...>talking about conspiracy >theories, communism, and drugs.<br />>No work was performed by anyone, <br /><br />Oh, that kind of commune! :D<br /><br />>holding hands and sprinting and >frolicking through the mountain >woods like a satyr and a wood >nymph. <br /><br />Now *that* sounds like ample justification for the whole experience! Let's face it, that's what living is all about. :)<br /><br />I second the request for more details on the commune thing, as long as it doesn't bring you any PTSD ;). This is interesting. :)<br /><br />>that Durer quotation is absolutely hilarious!<br /><br />To my great surprise, it was the best part of the show for me. The silver plates were nice, the "Durer beating Apelles" was amusing, but that one just beat them all.<br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-38526460721573005402013-12-14T15:07:14.265-05:002013-12-14T15:07:14.265-05:00Fun and interesting story, Richard. Enjoyed readin...Fun and interesting story, Richard. Enjoyed reading it. If you care to elaborate further, can you explain how you came to hear about and then join with the commune?kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-57464127801470179832013-12-14T14:44:07.501-05:002013-12-14T14:44:07.501-05:00>I'm guessing it wasn't a free love com...>I'm guessing it wasn't a free love commune? :) Do share the details! :)<br /><br />Happily, I haven't thought about that in quite a while. <br /><br />It was in a forest at ~9,400 ft above sea level, not too far from the Taos, New Mexico area for a few months. <br /><br />Long story short, there was very little food, so we were always starving, the majority of the company were completely wasted hippies (barring the occasional interesting bluegrass musician and botanist). <br /><br />They spent the entire time talking about conspiracy theories, communism, and drugs. <br /><br />I spent the entire time reading and re-reading Moby Dick (it was the only book I brought with me), drinking coffee brewed over camp fires, and getting lost in the woods. <br /><br />No work was performed by anyone, which explains in good part why we were all starving.<br /><br />That aside, I actually had a really great time, as long as I was completely avoiding the other commune-ers. <br /><br />The best part of it all was getting completely lost in the woods at six in the morning before the fog lifted off the mountain, finding a stream, and deciding to take a (naked) bath in it. <br /><br />There is nothing in this world like taking a bath in the early morning in an ice-cold mountain stream, far enough from any living soul that you can scream from the top of your lungs and no one will hear you besides the bears. <br /><br />Another great moment, a couple days before I ended up having to leave, I met one of the most beautiful women I have ever met in my life. She was walking around in the middle of the forest, and when I approached to talk to her she silently quieted me, and pointed to some animals she was watching. She then silently invited me to walk through the forest with her, and whenever I would try to speak she would simply give me a little grin and put her finger up to her lips. As the day progressed we ended up holding hands and sprinting and frolicking through the mountain woods like a satyr and a wood nymph. I never saw her again, but I'll never forget that strange amazing day.<br /><br />Haha, so that's my commune story.<br /><br />Also, Antonio, that Durer quotation is absolutely hilarious! The impotent rage there is really pathetic XDRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249577762409684046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-30208840147754058482013-12-14T14:00:09.186-05:002013-12-14T14:00:09.186-05:00Excellent.Excellent.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-83413549244302586042013-12-14T13:17:47.600-05:002013-12-14T13:17:47.600-05:00Nah...sorry, we played this game before. Not going...Nah...sorry, we played this game before. Not going to touch that with a ten foot pole. <br /><br />If that's how you see it, fine. I vehemently disagree, but must decline to elaborate. It would never end.<br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-85236601690893891222013-12-14T12:49:11.370-05:002013-12-14T12:49:11.370-05:00Two things, Antonio.
First, you are exhibiting al...Two things, Antonio.<br /><br />First, you are exhibiting all the tell tale signs of politics as a religion: The wide-eyed righteousness and interest in evangelizing under the guise of dialoguing, the concomintant sly efforts to bring about cathartic confrontation (clever to politely beckon, a taunt here and there (Are you above it all, Diogenes?) so as to softly, softly, draw the spider into the web), the constant steering of unrelated conversations into political conversation (which I call "Funnel Vision"), the ready-to-hand arsenal of telling anecdotes from only one side's perspective (the use of which invariably constitutes one form or another of induction fallacy), no sense of fallibilism about the quality of your information, (which is demonstrative of the religious faith in certain narratives and narrative sources, while certain other narratives, of equal truth value, but of competing philosophy you find abhorent and intolerable), and so on. (Hey, I could talk politics all week. But I won't. Because I realized that it was all religious in nature, and my religion must be art, or I'm just another sucker in the grand political ugliness and its televised kabuki show.) <br /><br />Second, why are you politicking on this page? What do you hope to gain out of it, except turning one of the few sites that is mercifully devoid of the stain of politics into just another crummy battle zone for competing emotionalized ideologies propped up by induction fallacies? <br />kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-49436177967214968052013-12-14T03:47:12.114-05:002013-12-14T03:47:12.114-05:00So, I guess art being the polar opposite of politi...So, I guess art being the polar opposite of politics didn't stop Durer from sucking up to good old Emperor Max to put the "bodies [of his adversaries] in mortal danger" if they printed copies of his works. That's not politics at all, that's the way things are.<br /><br />Just as if some kid copies a few mp3 and has his life ruined with disproportionate sentences, that's not politics, it's just the way things are. No point even bringing it to the discussion.<br /><br />By the way:<br /><br />"Dürer was angry at Marcantonio Raimondi, who had made a line-for-line copy of Dürer's work. (...) Raimondi was not just a scoundrel; he worked with famous artists on creating authorized prints. He and other, less-skilled print makers who sold their mass-produced versions served to acquaint the general public with works that were otherwise limited to the wealthy, including the church."<br /><br />" we should keep in mind that 16th C Europe was not operating under a system of copyrights, but one of privileges. That is to say, there was no sense of the rights of an author as originator, but rather favors granted (like patents of nobility and other favors) by a ruling government to whomever that government wished. Those privileges were in force only within the realm of the granting authority, and in fact when Durer's Life of the Virgin woodcuts first appeared in Venice, they were not protected from copyists by a Venetian privilege. Thus neither Marcantonio nor his publishers were breaking any laws. "<br />Here's the link to the above quoted:<br /><br />http://williampatry.blogspot.pt/2005/09/albrecht-drer-and-copyright.html<br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-37985373413329530202013-12-14T03:34:40.435-05:002013-12-14T03:34:40.435-05:00Thanks to the internets, who some people would ber...Thanks to the internets, who some people would berate us for reading, we have found the actual text of Durer's copyright notice we have mentioned above. It is even more amusing than we remembered:<br /><br />"Hold! You crafty ones, strangers to work, and pilferers of other men’s brains. Think not rashly to lay your thievish hands upon my works. Beware! Know you not that I have a grant from the most glorious Emperor Maximillian, that not one throughout the imperial dominion shall be allowed to print or sell fictitious imitations of these engravings? Listen! And bear in mind that if you do so, through spite or through covetousness, not only will your goods be confiscated, but your bodies also placed in mortal danger."<br /><br />Isn't it a gem? The FBI could learn a thing or two.António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-30361941068889036072013-12-14T03:12:10.470-05:002013-12-14T03:12:10.470-05:00>Politics is the polar opposite of >Art. It ...>Politics is the polar opposite of >Art. It is the shittiest, most >spiritually, intellectually, >morally, ethically, philosophically >damaging religion ever created. >That's my view of politics.<br /><br />We all agree it's shitty. Is that your full contribution? <br /><br />People sharing space must interact somehow, organize in some way, set some rules. That's politics. How is that simple fact of life "a religion"? <br /><br />Are you so aloof? Are you playing Diogenes? Diogenes you are not. Diogenes wouldn't get pissed off because some guys were questioning the sanctity of the rules of copyright or of private property. Diogenes wouldn't care.<br /><br />You may not express your political views but you have strong implicit views nonetheless, that make themselves felt in the way you angrily react to particulars regarding the rules of society. People who say they "have no politics" often have an implicit political view that is all the more dogmatic because it goes unacknowledged and unexamined: "the way I see things is not even political, it is just the way things are". Those are our European "technocrats", for example, who assume everyone wants the same for society and it's just a matter of getting it done. <br /><br />In your case, you are sounding pretty much like a conservative of sorts, in economics at least. I was just trying to clarify that, but you don't have to say it if it bothers you so much. I don't need to know.António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-2086194039571903032013-12-14T02:49:47.431-05:002013-12-14T02:49:47.431-05:00>particularly in a jokey fashion
You are as &q...>particularly in a jokey fashion<br /><br />You are as "jokey" and subtle as a sledgehammer to the balls. <br /><br />You should consider your legacy, kev. In the future, when you are a famous philosopher, your biographers will puzzle over your aggression towards me and almost certainly spin it into "repressed homoerotic desire". António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-65803765196028753142013-12-13T19:10:24.154-05:002013-12-13T19:10:24.154-05:00Politics is the polar opposite of Art. It is the s...Politics is the polar opposite of Art. It is the shittiest, most spiritually, intellectually, morally, ethically, philosophically damaging religion ever created. That's my view of politics.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-45766979808706264322013-12-13T19:07:15.104-05:002013-12-13T19:07:15.104-05:00And of course any attempt to call you on this or a...And of course any attempt to call you on this or anything, particularly in a jokey fashion, makes you jump out of your skin. I'm not going to walk on eggshells just to steer clear of your over sensitivity. You want to vomit politics all over this thread, fine. But you shouldn't forget that others might have weak gag reflexes, and will respond in kind.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-58875356371120304422013-12-13T18:54:42.849-05:002013-12-13T18:54:42.849-05:00A Zealot whose conclusion is that at the moment he...A Zealot whose conclusion is that at the moment he has no clear political affiliation?<br /><br />That's neat.<br /><br />Meanwhile, this is your third post or so with no content. I'd be more interested in knowing what your political thoughts are. Apart from the fact that me and Richard are both idiots, of course.<br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13102131848988856252013-12-13T18:49:29.412-05:002013-12-13T18:49:29.412-05:00All you have been doing for two days is spamming t...All you have been doing for two days is spamming this thread with prepackaged political narratives like an ideological zealot. kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-89101818451476119312013-12-13T18:44:21.444-05:002013-12-13T18:44:21.444-05:00Any idea can be considered obnoxious, kev. But *yo...Any idea can be considered obnoxious, kev. But *you* are obnoxious, that's a big difference. You attack personally and gratuitously, which is a thing I don't do to you or to anyone, unless of course I am being an asshole that day... which happens sometimes, I guess, but with you it will happen in every exchange. Really, I was wondering if this time might be different. Why do you disappoint me so, kev? Don't you know a little birdie dies whenever you fuck up a conversation like that?<br /><br />Let's make an exercise: I, grown up kev, will express my profound disagreement with Antonio without being an asshole about it. Just to show that I can, with my good domain of my native language.<br /><br />Oh, and I am not having a temper tantrum. I'm over being irritated with you. I know you can't help it. I simply told you that I will no longer waste my time rebutting every silly thing you say, because you don't deserve it. I'm not shouting kev, I am smiling. I was just informing you of how much consideration I will give any post where you behave like that. António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-92029406491885888492013-12-13T18:32:24.929-05:002013-12-13T18:32:24.929-05:00ps: By the way, an anarchist is not a marxist. The...ps: By the way, an anarchist is not a marxist. They sort of can't stand each other, actually. If you can't tell the difference, you might ask. A left-leaning reformer is neither of those. A run-of-the-mill european socialist is none of them either.<br />I know that living in your corner of the world, in a two-party system where you have the business party and the lunatic party, you think that a marxist is anyone slightly to the left of Attila the hun, but it just doesn't work that way everywhere else.<br /><br />António Araújohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059765930331992020noreply@blogger.com