tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post9047802256359957757..comments2024-03-29T11:21:29.268-04:00Comments on ILLUSTRATION ART: David Apatoffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-54027693078139884972009-07-10T23:29:15.403-04:002009-07-10T23:29:15.403-04:00I love Bruegel, and this is how I
came across thi...I love Bruegel, and this is how I <br />came across this post.<br /><br />I agree with the fact that apples are different from oranges: they all have their own significance in a specific context. And your post has been extremely success in creating a platform for discussion.<br /><br />Nice and stimulating blog, thank you.<br />A few days ago, I did a "non creative" sketch of the Tree Man, you can check it out on my blog Inkpage.blogspot, cheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-75356241540201697732009-06-09T20:21:20.552-04:002009-06-09T20:21:20.552-04:00Bravo Brill!
Kev, you are truly a sweet real man....Bravo Brill!<br /><br />Kev, you are truly a sweet real man. Wonderful way to own your postings and move on. Very gracious. <br /><br />Antonio, thank you! Your point is well taken and insightful. <br /><br />Tania already got her kudos from the master...<br /><br />Rob, you have a sense of humor and enjoy sharing your thoughts, care to expand the view? Actually as I have gotten older, I've discovered asking questions and listening to the answers has made a greater impact on those around me than when I was young and thought I knew everything. Funny that it took me so long to discover that. I wonder how many people I drove away?<br /><br />~catherineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-23592011352576783852009-06-09T18:37:54.702-04:002009-06-09T18:37:54.702-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Laurence Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11988700485839219253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-58486025226195636972009-06-08T10:13:51.545-04:002009-06-08T10:13:51.545-04:00Catherine (pcp)--
"Spring is wonderful, the ...Catherine (pcp)--<br /><br />"Spring is wonderful, the sap really starts to rise..."<br /><br />Yeah, but the antlers start to grow, too.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-36617986665677182472009-06-08T10:10:12.423-04:002009-06-08T10:10:12.423-04:00Rob, I read the article in the American Spectator ...Rob, I read the article in the American Spectator that you recommended. Whenever I approach anything in the American Spectator, I always begin by reminding myself that an idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. That's because so many of the readers of the American Spectator are just plain nuts, it would be easy to dismiss their writers as well. Scan those letters in response to Scruton's column ("Teacher unions in the hands of marxist goons have "educated" three generations of illiterate morons...")and you will understand what gave "judgment" a bad name to begin with: wildly intemperate, closed minded Savaranolas venting their rage. So much for Scruton's theory that reading Shakespeare develops more well rounded and emotionally mature human beings.<br /><br />But as for Scruton's main point, it seems to me to be half of the argument, a half that I have agreed with here many times. In prior discussions I have repeatedly rejected the lack of standards and taste prevalent in so much of modern art. I think the philosophy of "it's all good" is silly and self delusional. But at the same time, you have probably seen me rail against closed mindedness and intolerance in the arts as well. I think that the relative stature of fine art and illustration is a result of people being judgmental and narrow minded. <br /><br />While I yearn to find the kind of "absolutes" that Scruton describes (on one end of the spectrum or the other) I find so far that the only solution for me is to pitch a tent somewhere on the road between scylla and charybdis, and to be prepared to pull up stakes and move a few feet in one direction or the other as circumstances require. <br /><br />Your point about whether human beings are inherently reasonable is an excellent example. There are days when I share your view that humans are not reasonable, but I am sure on other days you recognize that there are so many contrary examples to suggest that they are. There will always be counter examples to spoil any absolutist view of human nature. That's why the Spanish philosopher Ortega said that man has no nature, what he has is his history. Man is as man does.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-41669971408539323042009-06-08T09:08:36.184-04:002009-06-08T09:08:36.184-04:00Dear Savage Tania, how nice to hear from you after...Dear Savage Tania, how nice to hear from you after all this time. I have kept a candle burning for you in the window, hoping you would return to show these mere amateurs what real savagery can be: instead of sharp words, a sharp guillotine blade in the town square! Instead of bile flowing so freely, the gorgeous red blood of aristocrats who would seek to perpetuate illegitimate hierarchies! That is what we need more of around here! Welcome home!<br /><br />On your last point, you could well be right.David Apatoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293486149879229016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-81578339484507532552009-06-08T04:14:08.311-04:002009-06-08T04:14:08.311-04:00>The blatant racism of this person, in >thes...>The blatant racism of this person, in >these times, are unbelievable.<br /><br />The blatant way in which the lynching mob resorts to unproved accusations of racism - or paedophilia, or witchcraft, or whatever is in fashion - to destroy someone they don't like is unbelievable, "in these times".<br /><br />Kev, glad the testosterone hit subsided. I bet it was the lynching mob putting its head out that brought you to your senses. There is a certain beauty to a duel, however unwise, between two eager and valid persons, but when the rabid crowd starts cheering too much it really crushes the aesthetics. <br /><br />Adam Brill: Well said.<br /><br />Antonio (omwo)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-55215786563163724702009-06-07T22:25:12.203-04:002009-06-07T22:25:12.203-04:00I learned a long time ago, the hard way, after yea...I learned a long time ago, the hard way, after years of dismissiveness in my work and my life, that if I wanted to improve as an artist/cook/musician, etc. that valid criticism could come from any quarter, whether the person offering said critique were my 'equal' or not. You can learn from anybody, if what you're interested in is learning, rather than protecting your point of view, which is by nature limited. You can even learn from people you don't like, or otherwise respect. I have learned art techniques and guitar licks and flavor combinations from people who couldn't draw, or pick, or cook, as well as I do, and I'm grateful for their generosity, and that they'd share what they know with me, and glad that I finally learned to not hit them over the head with my 'superior' skills because I felt that I had to pump myself up at their expense. I'd like to think that their input was offered in order to make my work better, not tear me down. In any case, that's how I choose to interpret it.Adam Brillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-87811272146925343652009-06-07T22:22:56.303-04:002009-06-07T22:22:56.303-04:00Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard ...Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. (Plato)<br /><br />David, would you mind deleting all my ire directed toward Mr. Howard. If you are unable to edit my posts, simply delete them.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-56108947130585452102009-06-07T21:41:49.259-04:002009-06-07T21:41:49.259-04:00David,
I love your posts mate, I hope you never g...David,<br /><br />I love your posts mate, I hope you never get discouraged enough to stop posting.Matthew Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954050440829792514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13658112591767009262009-06-07T21:35:35.366-04:002009-06-07T21:35:35.366-04:00I would guess he simply erred on the number.I would guess he simply erred on the number.kev ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09509572970616136990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-11249166436409592682009-06-07T21:09:45.237-04:002009-06-07T21:09:45.237-04:00Oh boy, I've missed all the fun! I haven't...Oh boy, I've missed all the fun! I haven't heard such pomposity and posturing since I was a kid in Hyde Park, sitting around the dinner table with a bunch of academics.<br /><br />He can't be a racist. China counts as the world doesn't it? (pop. 1.33 billion...)<br /><br />"I like the virility of the noncognitivism that comes with a Franz Kline slash, or the borderless contemplative state that can come with the proper Rothko." <br /><br />Maybe that's why Rothko saved my live once...well, two paintings did anyway. <br /><br />Spring is wonderful, the sap really starts to rise...<br /><br />~catherine (pcp)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-87585631294871133012009-06-07T20:49:25.211-04:002009-06-07T20:49:25.211-04:00^I agree with Anonymous up here^
The blatant raci...^I agree with Anonymous up here^<br /><br />The blatant racism of this person, in these times, are unbelievable.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10628811617256542161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-85930264318700233692009-06-07T13:34:45.352-04:002009-06-07T13:34:45.352-04:00"Would you please explain, who you count as h..."Would you please explain, who you count as human beings - and who you don't"<br />Have you read his brainfarts about colonialism some posts earlier? He simply doesn't count anything that hasn't got a fat white backside like his own. It's obvious.<br />T.C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-80326604461676014752009-06-07T13:17:38.953-04:002009-06-07T13:17:38.953-04:00>>Johnny Rotten may be a hugely important fi...>>Johnny Rotten may be a hugely important figure in the history of music, from whom much could be learned, but by all accounts he's also an insufferable asshole...<<<br />Yeah, but if you look close enough, Mr Rob Complete And Utter Howard is only a Hoomer doing the Johnny, no need to adulate him with such an analogy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-52845914492430829592009-06-07T10:55:32.216-04:002009-06-07T10:55:32.216-04:00"If your commitment to fine art materials als..."If your commitment to fine art materials also involves a petulant foot-stamping, I might question that commitment."<br /><br />No, I was just curious about YOUR stance. Since you seem unwilling to enter dialog with people whose artistic pedigree and resume and whatever else don't meet your approval, I was just wondering if you'd still take their money as customers, or dismiss them in the same way you do here. That would be more consistent, I think.<br /><br />However, since you asked, I do tend to favor interacting with people who are kind, friendly, and free of combative ego, all things being equal. The world has more than enough hostility and belligerence already, and so I prefer not to reward or engage it when I don't need to. Luckily, I rarely do, as the world is filled with people who are brilliant and capable, and some are jerks and some aren't.<br /><br />I think the only one here engaging in "petulant foot-stamping" is you, refusing dialog with people whose cvs or portfolios don't impress you, even when it's as relevant to the topic (which YOU frequently start) as me demanding your engineering credentials before talking to you.<br /><br />Fortunately for me, George at Natural Pigments is about to begin producing his own lead napthanate, and he's a friendly and knowledgeable guy who's perfectly pleasant to deal with, so yeah, I'll buy from him instead. Why wouldn't I?<br /><br />Johnny Rotten may be a hugely important figure in the history of music, from whom much could be learned, but by all accounts he's also an insufferable asshole, looking contemptuously down on the planet as being swarmed by his inferiors, and won't talk to anybody undeserving of his brilliance, which is virtually the whole world. We all just have to soldier along without the wisdom and potential teaching that the Johnny Rottens of the world withhold from the rest of us in their disgust, and just hope they never get their hands on weapons of mass destruction.slinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02628769298413600033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-25205590447541038792009-06-07T05:59:13.917-04:002009-06-07T05:59:13.917-04:00>>>Will Studio Products hold its nose and...>>>Will Studio Products hold its nose and take our money, or should we find other sources for our lead napthanate?<<<<br /><br />I have litle connection with that business except in an advisory capacity. If your commitment to fine art materials also involves a petulant foot-stamping, I might question that commitment. I have heard of some people who will not drive a German car because of wrongs done between 1937 and 1941. Aside from the usual "whatever" approach, what do you think of that mentality?<br /><br />Would you purchase superior goods from a company helmed by someone who did not hew to your political beliefs? Conversely, would you purchase inferior goods from someone who voted as you do?<br /><br />Do you see where your query leads?Rob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-32787788361427105092009-06-07T05:52:59.136-04:002009-06-07T05:52:59.136-04:00David, I was musing on the men behind the admirabl...David, I was musing on the men behind the admirable artistic techniques and why we may be seeing so little of that thoughtful content in today's art. Then I came upon an article by Roger Scruton in this month's American Spectator in which he speaks to the willful lack of judgment today's students are heir to.<br /><br />What else is the making of art but judgment based on a set of accepted standards? Instead, today's student is taught to condemn any form of judgment..."oh, you're so judgmental." Scruton's article speaks from the standpoint of a generation whose teachers realized that we would not be prepared for a study in the humanities without a thorough grounding in classical languages.<br /><br />That brought up our favorite Italian-American...that is, Italian-born American, John Sargent. Like Rubens (who spoke at least five languages and was a foreign ambassador) and like Andrew Wyeth, Sargent did not even graduate grammar school, let alone high school or college, yet when his body was found in his bed, he had an open copy of Catullus (in the original) in his hands.<br /><br />Perhaps, as Scruton points out, introducing women's studies and black studies and pop music studies into the curriculum may be the reason there is such a decline in art...there's a decline in artists and the way in which they (and other students not training in the Sciences) are trained.<br /><br />You can read the article at http://spectator.org/archives/2009/06/05/farewell-to-judgmentRob Howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587811799010051018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-1251523499004943322009-06-07T01:04:17.535-04:002009-06-07T01:04:17.535-04:00Rob, I'm just wondering: do you extend the dis...Rob, I'm just wondering: do you extend the disdain and contempt that you repeatedly demonstrate here for those with inferior artistic pedigrees to your business? Will Studio Products hold its nose and take our money, or should we find other sources for our lead napthanate?slinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02628769298413600033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-79632097419987446352009-06-06T23:12:36.317-04:002009-06-06T23:12:36.317-04:00Ah fuck...
Debating is fun, and this mass debatin...Ah fuck...<br /><br />Debating is fun, and this mass debating is even more fun, but can we get back to the original (and rather more sexy) topic before it gets messy?Matthew Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954050440829792514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-82182729740869806032009-06-06T19:22:56.257-04:002009-06-06T19:22:56.257-04:00OMWO, lol.
At least you're learning something...OMWO, lol.<br /><br />At least you're learning something. I haven't learned a thing in weeks! :)<br /><br />This is not really going to war, though. I think I have been rather civil, personally, given the relentless mortar fire over the line. I can get infinitely vicious when required, however. <br /><br />And Brian, you've fallen into exactly what I was trying to prevent. <br /><br />The game is this: <br /><br />1. You disagree with Mr. Howard.<br />2. He demands your credentials. This is an arrogation of power. By demanding credentials, he asserts his own authority. <br />3. Equally, he is asserting that an argument or opinion only has merit according to his assessment of credentials.<br />4. As well, his offensiveness commands the floor, also an arrogation, but of attention. <br />5. If you agree to his demand for credentials, you agree that he has authority over you and you agree that an argument or opinion is only valid based on credentials as judged by Mr. Howard and you accept that he is the center of attention.<br />6. Your credentials will be found wanting by Mr. Howard, ergo, you have lost the argument, ergo, Mr. Howard is superior to you.<br /> <br />I advise nobody to play this little game. It is a quite common one in the psychoanalytic journals (I kid, I kid.) We are not at the German border, nobody who demands our papers, gets them. <br /><br />David, I'm sure you know that Edmund Burke quote about "good people doing nothing."kev ferraranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-13751886494621746242009-06-06T19:06:11.045-04:002009-06-06T19:06:11.045-04:00My dear renegade,
all of a sudden we get a glimpse...My dear renegade,<br />all of a sudden we get a glimpse of the ugly side of art, hmmm?<br />Maybe you should have stopped this much earlier - now it's too late; Me too I would love to know Mr. Howard's counting procedure, though of course I have a guess...<br />Anyway, you may want to think again if you keep on letting the (quote) complete and utter ass (unquote) misuse your blog... <br />By the way, I love this recent post and, reading through the comments, I'm probably the only one who really gets it...<br />Best wishes,<br />your savage Taniatanianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-73835000162583356792009-06-06T17:39:47.655-04:002009-06-06T17:39:47.655-04:00Hey Rob Howard,
Isn't it about time to shove ...Hey Rob Howard,<br /><br />Isn't it about time to shove another doughnut down your fat piehole? I can see from your photo that tennis court you own doesn't get much use. Your mouth, on the other hand, is in fine shape.<br /><br />As far as your curriculum vitae and portolio, I think it sucks, and you are no better than the people you critcize. You are now engaged in the absoluete nadir of all art forms, photographic oil portriature. You should be proud of the hacks you run with in that sorry crowd.<br /><br />You're a big fat coward. I'd love to talk to you face to face. If you're going to criticize people's opinions, why don't you start with the blog owner, who hasn't done any illustration or fine art worthy of mention either. C'mon c(H)oward--let's see that happen.<br /><br />You make me sick. Give me two weeks to get something done, and I'll post it. I'm not even a "professional". I'll put it up against anything you do. Let's make a bet and let the other people here decide. Put up or shutup time, Rob. You up for it?Briannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-67021339752579636252009-06-06T17:35:02.406-04:002009-06-06T17:35:02.406-04:00>>Guess how many human beings (...) there ar...>>Guess how many human beings (...) there are on the planet? That's right, 1.3 billion<<<br />That's a lot less than I have learned. You mention this number twice, Mr Howard, so I don't think you just made an oversight there. Would you please explain, who you count as human beings - and who you don't? If you really are what you claim to be in your last comment, and who would doubt that, you probably don't want to miss this opportunity...<br />Very very curious, <br />SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12189014.post-23058263897087495532009-06-06T15:48:08.525-04:002009-06-06T15:48:08.525-04:001. Ibid. (My Grandma's quote.)
2. Op. Cit. (NO...1. Ibid. (My Grandma's quote.)<br />2. Op. Cit. (NOBODY needs to defend themselves to you. This is NOT your blog... you are NOT in control here)<br />3. Op. Cit (David, you should at least charge him an advertising rate.)kev ferraranoreply@blogger.com